C&N managed yacht sinks off Sicily, 7 missing

[Tillsbury]

Agree that the aircon would be on, but if there’s a giant tender garage or side platform open then an unlimited amount of water would arrive very quickly.

It sank in 50m so hitting a rock sounds unlikely

We have to continue to hope that there are air pockets in the engine room or wherever the missing people are

[Tupaia]

Originally Posted by dannc

The witness that helped rescue the survivors was at anchor near the ship and said the vessel was there and then it was not. He saw it capsize quickly.

To capsize quickly suggests there was a stability issue which made me wonder if the ship had a lifting keel. If there was a lifting keel and it was up when the water spout hit...

Just saw an interview with the witness and a couple of the comments on the video said the ship had a lifting keel and that AIS was showing the vessels draft at 3.8 meters...

Reports indicate that the keel was up, normal when at anchor. Draft 3.8m up, nearly 10m when down. Say 50 ton keel the CG must move 6m (10-3.8) that is a massive change in stability.

[El Pinguino]

Watch what happens to the yacht on the right towards the end of the vid.
So the gust is sustained?
I wonder if its the same yacht?
https://youtu.be/1mofa0QNFi8

[GordMay]

CCTV shows intensity of storm, which capsized superyacht off Italian coast
➥ https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/yAGNb33f

[GordMay]

The Italian Air Force's Center for Aerospace Meteorology and Climatology registered intense lightning activity, and strong gusts of wind, in the area, when the ship sank, according to its director.
Col. Attilio Di Diodato told the New York Times, he could not rule out that it had been a waterspout.
Separately, Cocina told journalists that a waterspout had hit the area overnight.
The sea surface temperature around Sicily was around 30°C, which is almost three degrees more than normal. This creates an enormous source of energy, that contributes to these storms.

[mbianka]

Morgan Stanley International Bank Executive and Wife, British Tech Entrepreneur with Daughter Among Missing After Tragic Sinking of Luxury Yacht in Sicily, Italy

A super yacht with professional crew what could possible go wrong?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...neur-daughter/

[GordMay]

The search, for the six missing passengers has been slow because the Bayesian is resting at a depth of 50 meters, where divers can stay for only 12-minute shifts, the fire rescue team said in a statement Tuesday.

Fire rescue crews reported that divers only made it to the bridge, during a first search, and were unable to access the below-deck cabins, because they were blocked by furniture, that had shifted during the violent storm, that capsized & sank the vessel early Monday.

The rotating search teams, each made up of two specialized cave divers, were working, Tuesday, to open up other access points, to get inside of the wreckage. Rescue crews said they assume the six passengers will be found in the below-deck cabins, given the time of the shipwreck, but that they have not managed to verify their presence there, viewing through portholes.

[Invictus69]

Originally Posted by GordMay

CCTV shows intensity of storm, which capsized superyacht off Italian coast
➥ https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/yAGNb33f

I can see how plastic chairs and tables can fly away but those dinghies are not really affected. We are talking about 470-ton structure.



I am still puzzled what might have happened. I assume that every average captain and/or their first mate/crew (especially on a boat of that size) will make some precautionary steps in expectation of bad weather and advise the passengers to be on alert.



Unless the bottom cracked for whatever reason and there is some water tight bulkheads, I assume it will take at least 10-15 min for this thing to sink giving enough time for a distress call and complete evacuation.


Again, not an expert, just a layman's logic.

[mbianka]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Watch what happens to the yacht on the right towards the end of the vid.
So the gust is sustained?
I wonder if its the same yacht?
https://youtu.be/1mofa0QNFi8

Pretty sure that it was the yacht in question. a brightly light 254 foot mast is something that stands out.

[Franziska]

My guess, some shelldoors and/or portlights open.

Possibly watertight bulkhead doors leading to the aft garage/beach club open.

Keel hauled up.



Reduced stability leads to near capsize, ship gets flooded enough to lose rest of stability and capsizes and sinks.



If a considerable amount of water rushes in through the shell openings and past the bulkhead doors, it can make it impossible to leave the cabins.



Rest in peace.

[Invictus69]

Originally Posted by GordMay

The search, for the six missing passengers has been slow because the Bayesian is resting at a depth of 50 meters, where divers can stay for only 12-minute shifts, the fire rescue team said in a statement Tuesday.

I am curious if there will be reports about the condition of the wreck at the bottom - ie the condition of the mast, laying position, transom deck etc.


Interestingly that double-masted old-timer anchored few hundred meters away was ok and saved the survivors.

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by Invictus69

I am curious if there will be reports about the condition of the wreck at the bottom - ie the condition of the mast, laying position, transom deck etc.


Interestingly that double-masted old-timer anchored few hundred meters away was ok and saved the survivors.

If it was a waterspout it's very localised at ground level and by pure chance it could well have been the other way round (if we leave the shell door and likely stability issues out of the equation).



Btw. as the funnel moves very erratic at ground level, it's extremely difficult how to steer out of harms way if you are close to the funnel.

[Invictus69]

Originally Posted by mbianka

Pretty sure that it was the yacht in question. a brightly light 254 foot mast is something that stands out.

I thought the same. If true, all mega yacht surveyors can throw their certificates in the toilet. And Perini Navi has a major reputational issue to deal with, especially since this yacht won several awards


https://www.perininavi.it/yacht/2008...rmerly-salute/



An old video when it was called 'Salute'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWyCWfn0W_c

[Statistical]

Originally Posted by Invictus69

Unless the bottom cracked for whatever reason and there is some water tight bulkheads, I assume it will take at least 10-15 min for this thing to sink giving enough time for a distress call and complete evacuation.


Again, not an expert, just a layman's logic.

Yeah I am at a loss too. From all accounts the vessel went down fast like it was there and then it wasn't. Once they find the missing passengers I am sure the divers will begin analyzing the scene to gather data on just how and why she went down like that.

[hpeer]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Watch what happens to the yacht on the right towards the end of the vid.
So the gust is sustained?
I wonder if its the same yacht?
https://youtu.be/1mofa0QNFi8

Is that a video of THIS incident? Sicily the past few days?