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Min 5 knts 23 41.07%
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Old 22-04-2019, 15:54   #31
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I was just being facetious, I think that if you check it is actually KUBOTA !
Oops! Sorry about that... didn't pay attention, did I? I should know, after all, 'cause I own one!

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Old 22-04-2019, 17:39   #32
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Can’t be a real for sale for that money, or someone would have snapped it up already!
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Old 23-04-2019, 08:55   #33
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It is real for sale. I just posted it and I am the owner..

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Old 23-04-2019, 11:24   #34
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My apologies on my comments. I wish it was here in the states. I believe for that kinda money you would have a line down the dock with people wanting to buy it. Someone is going to get one heck of a boat for the money!
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Good question, Fred. I know that on our slightly larger Sayer finding space for those items would surely encroach on storage and living space. The reported tankage on Siren (500 L water, 150 L diesel) is possibly adequate but not generous... especially if one is running the gen set to keep the a/c going.

And I wonder if the quoted displacement includes those heavy items?

But, she would be a really fun boat to sail!

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The engine is actually Beta Marine based on Kubota
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Old 27-04-2019, 20:07   #37
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My apologies on my comments. I wish it was here in the states. I believe for that kinda money you would have a line down the dock with people wanting to buy it. Someone is going to get one heck of a boat for the money!
I am actually thinking of sailing it to the states
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My apologies on my comments. I wish it was here in the states. I believe for that kinda money you would have a line down the dock with people wanting to buy it. Someone is going to get one heck of a boat for the money!
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Yes, exactly. But the problem is that many, if not most, potential cruisers have been sold on the "heavy is good" philosophy for cruising. They don't, many of them, really know much about sailing, and don't care to. When they board a boat to check it out they immediately go below to look at the interior layout.

And they look for center cockpits, in mast furling mainsails, bow thrusters, and arches with dingy davits. They want a nice captain's chair directly behind the steering wheel and a large chart plotter right in front them. Great for motoring, which is what they will be doing. So this is what they line up for when looking for boats.

But cruising is not all fun. It is hot, boring, hard work and lots of fixing and dealing with issues with little reward. If you take sailing fun out of it nobody should be surprised that people, a high percentage of them, drop out early on. You see many of these cruising boats, with long lines of prospective buyers on the dock, which have had 4-5 owners in 5-10 years.

So this is why a really nice sailing yacht like this Sayer has to be offered at a low price; there are few knowledgeable buyers who want to actually sail.

Somebody will get a great yacht at a bargain price, and have a blast sailing it

It makes me happy to think about it.
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That was a very realistic observation. I call them port sailors. However, not all. Yes, I agree that is why the price is lower.

However, is that not better for the general market of real sailors ?

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