Free: Help find my boat...stolen

[gonesail]

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

If you didn’t want to pay for insurance, it’s difficult to empathize with your situation particularly as you were in the hurricane belt.

what does not having hull insurance have to do with a boat being stolen? Its not against the law and certainly a personal decision IMHO

[wolfgal]

You must have jumped out of your skin when the young, European couple told you they saw her! There's hope now... Let's hope!

Your post is all over FB now (including the women's sailing groups, live aboard groups, Leaky Teaky, etc. - a shout goes to Zee for her help) with hopes that you're gal will be spotted by someone in our community.

Good luck to you and your Jade Queen, Warren.

Fingers crossed for her swift return.

wolfie

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by Cpt Pat

"Evil is the absence of empathy."

And growing it is.

http://m.nautil.us/issue/72/quandary...-selfish-world

https://www.semanticscholar.org/pape...4b1f4cf5d349d9

Selectivity about who deserves empathy is not empathy IMO.

[KC375]

Are we confusing empathy and sympathy?
Empathy - the ability to share someone else's feelings or experiences by imagining what it would be like to be in that person's situation. (you don’t have to agree with their feelings or situation to be able to imagine how they feel – understanding rather than sharing)
Sympathy - understanding and care for someone else's suffering. the act or capacity of entering into or sharing the feelings or interests of another.
You can empathise with out sympathising but you can’t sympathise with out empathising.
Some of the less compassionate posters here are saying they lack the human ability to imagine someone else’s feelings, when I think what they mean is they don’t feel sorry for them. Either is a sorry state but a different state of mind.

[zeehag]

evil is the absence of ethics and morals and conscience, not feelings. there is a difference.
Empathy means 'the ability to understand and share the feelings of another' (as in both authors have the skill to make you feel empathy with their heroines), whereas sympathy means 'feelings of pity and sorrow for someone else's misfortune' (as in they had great sympathy for the flood victims)

[stevec195]

Good grief. Yet another thread hijacked. Just help the man find his boat, and concentrate on your own affairs and moral compass. Good luck to you sir in your search.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by zeehag

the amount of dissing of the owner of the boat is shameful.
seems he DID start his search at time of disappearance. why diss him on this.,.
has any of you tried to search fro a needle in a haystack, aka stolen or lost boat?>? if so, stfu. if not, learn this is a difficulty. the man had a boat. it was stolen. it is still his despite what others have done. unfortunately the possession ifs 9/10 of law is a fallacy. just because you HAVE something does not make it yours.
help this man find his boat.
insurance mumbo jumbo is moot.

bolo for this boat and help him find it.

+A1..

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by stevec195

Good grief. Yet another thread hijacked. Just help the man find his boat, and concentrate on your own affairs and moral compass. Good luck to you sir in your search.

we still don’t know if he had insurance and was paid for the loss as he hasn’t responded to that question. Cvonsequently, we still don’t know if it is still his boat legally. It’s a simple question some have twisted into a moral issue incorrectly.

[gmakhs]

I wish you find it , but from the story you can't tell if the boat was stolen or broke free from the mooring .
Since the boat have been sold to another couple even if you find it I don't believe you can claim it back, and for a sale to happen and registration on a new flag the boatsneed to be DELETED from the previous countries registry records .
Since you weren't there when it disappear you really can't prove if it broke free or was stollen .

I hope you find it but I don't believe you will get something out of it .

[Nicholson58]

Originally Posted by Offjetnow

I intend to flood the internet and the customs/immigration agencies throughout the Caribbean. Any help/ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Most customs and immigration officials never see the boats. They sit in air conditioned offices and check documents. This would only work for you if the vessel documentation has tot changed. Serial number is the only hope if it is not altered.

Send data also to the haul out yards where cruisers leave boats for the hurricane season.

[Hardhead]

It's been said that blaming the victim is a common means of emotional self defense for many people. They want to believe that whatever bad happened to someone else would not happen to them - because they would not have acted exactly like the victim. Could be accurate, might not be accurate. I'd personally be doing everything the OP is doing, and regardless of the financial situation, most people have an emotional attachment, beyond just cost, when we think about our boats and the work we've put into them - everyone here has to understand that I would think. Who legally owns the boat if it's recovered - insurance carrier or original owner - is something that's not really clear. Any boat theft is obviously terrible for everyone, insurance rates go up, and the more successful theft, the more boats will be stolen. Whoever bought the boat, if it was actually sold, it is looking at a loss themselves as it's purchased with a defective title.

[barnakiel]

A new owner can't be blamed unless they knew. And low price is no indication of theft. I see great deals on older boats here in Europe everyday. New folks do not want old boats and old folks are dying out.


It is sort of vain to chase the new owner (assumed innocent). The thief is the problem. The thief should be hanging FOR SURE.


Off course a way to get the thief is to contact the new owner and get seller's details.



Cheers,

b.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by john61ct

... Selectivity about who deserves empathy is not empathy IMO.

Indeed.
Empathy is the ability to imagine (feeling) another person’s emotional experience, or situation; it does not involve a value judgment.

Compassion is more about the response, to help or alleviate the physical, mental, or emotional pain and suffering of another; the “what do I do about these feelings.”

[Arthurwg]

Interesting that the boat was seen in Curacao, not exactly a place of probity.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Compassion is more about the response, to help or alleviate the physical, mental, or emotional pain and suffering of another; the “what do I do about these feelings.”

Well actually 8-)

just responding empathically in itself **is** compassionate, can provide the other a lot of comfort, and even if only within your own heart, improves the world from an emotional / psychological / spiritual POV.

It is rarely possible to actually (materially) be indiscriminately helpful to all those in need, without hurting yourself and those close to you; some selectivity there is necessary, but should not be based on tribalism.

If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.
…
I believe all suffering is caused by ignorance.People inflict pain on others in the selfish pursuit of their happiness or satisfaction. Yet true happiness comes from a sense of inner peace and contentment, which in turn must be achieved through the cultivation of altruism, of love and compassion and elimination of ignorance, selfishness and greed.
The problems we face today, violent conflicts, destruction of nature, poverty, hunger, and so on, are human-created problems which can be resolved through human effort, understanding and the development of a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood. We need to cultivate a universal responsibility for one another and the planet we share. Although I have found my own Buddhist religion helpful in generating love and compassion, even for those we consider our enemies,*I am convinced that everyone can develop a good heart and a sense of universal responsibility with or without religion.

— Tenzin Gyatso, the Dalai Lama