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Old 30-01-2025, 10:01   #16
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As has been said above, Catalina Yachts is still in business, and there is a separate company called Catalina Direct that sources parts from vendors who supplied the factory.

After having 2 boats where the builder had gone out of business this was something I took into account in buying a Catalina a few years ago.

30 feet is a sweet spot for your first cruising boat--inboard diesel, standing headroom, dodger, shower. Upfront and maintenance costs increase exponentially as you get into larger boats.
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Old 30-01-2025, 10:57   #17
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Lots of great advice above!

I spent several years sailing on Lake Michigan a number of years ago. I agree with the suggestions to look for about a 30 footer. Plenty of boat for the lake, enough interior space to be comfortable, easier to handle and maintain than larger boats.

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Old 30-01-2025, 11:51   #18
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Thank you for your advise, i will definetly take a look at 88 Catalina and report back. Hoping to see it this saturday. It still a bit cold out here
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Thank you so much for your guidance and assistance. I will definetly go Crowely Boatyard to take a look at the catalina you have reffered me to. Thats where ive found this Endeavour 33 also

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/106879

There is also Catalina for sale by owner here seems in decent shape under 10K

https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/...na-30-9656398/
Man I would jump right on the Catalina 30, as long as a survey was good. What a great deal.

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Went to see the boats, unfortunately the Catalina was less than impressive. The inside looked great, but outside is showing evidence of neglect. Seems that old owners barely used inside and that’s why it held up. But the smell was awful. Taken a look at very neglected Hunter 34, Irwin 30 and comparatively decent endeavor 33. The endeavor seems in better shape compared to the rest. Definitely needs a bottom job though. Couldn’t look for soft spots as the weather is still cold here
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we looked at an Endeavour 32 once. not impressed with them or the Catalinas. I like the new Catalinas but they are expensive. did you consider the Island Packet 27 and 31.
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You could do something like a Columbia 9.6 too...
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All of the boats you mention can be a lot of fun and can handle lake Michigan. My wife and I owned 3 Catalina's and an Endeavor 42 during our 44 years of sailing.

I used to describe the boats quality with an auto industry analogy. The Catalina's were Chevy's, built well, last a long time and reliable. The Endeavour was a Buick, a Chevy with a little extra polish. If you are cruising, you will be pleased with the extra's you find in the Endeavour. If you plan to drive to the marina over the weekend and go day sailing, you will like the Catalina, although the 36 is a big boat for that.

All boats made in the 80's have potential issues, and if the previous owners have not taken action to mitigate the damage or potential damage you may be buying a problem. Both owner communities are very active on social media, and you will find the owners very helpful in both identifying issues and helping with the repairs.

Soft decks are more common on the Great Lakes because wood rots faster in fresh water and also you have the freeze thaw cycle. Some of the 80's boats had foamed in Tankage, the Endeavour 42 did, and replacing the tanks is quite a job, not too expensive if you are a DIY'er with some time, but very expensive if you are paying someone to do it. Soft decks can also be fixed by a good DIY'er.

Regarding the use of a surveyor, buyer and seller beware, they are not always worth the investment. We recently sold our Endeavour 42, and the surveyor who was supposed to be very knowledgeable made some very bad assumptions about things at one point mistakenly condemning a thru hull because he mistook the white lithium grease on a rim for Caulking without even bending to feel it and telling the buyer the 35-year-old diesel needed a complete rebuild or replacement even though we had an oil analysis and a current engine survey by a well-recognized mechanic.

If you do buy a used boat from the 80's, plan on getting heated winter storage, at a place that will allow you to work on it and use the winter break in sailing to fix up the boat to your liking so you can spend the summer sailing.

Closing thought, if your DIY skills are lacking or you simply cannot make the time to work on the boat, I suggest you spend the extra money and get a newer, maybe smaller boat.
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We owned an Endeavor 42 1987, we lived aboard and cruised the Gulf of Mexico to Florida East cost and back to Texas for 2 years. Endeavour are well built but you must be mindful of aging systems. All Endeavour had aluminum fuel and water tanks. If the original tanks on the boats you are looking at have not been replaced then that is a definite issue. We replaced ours for$7,000 where I did a large portion on the disassembly and reassembly. We loved our boat but we put a lot of work into it before departing on our cruise.
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Wow! Thank you, gents, this is very informative and very encouraging information. In my gut for some reason i am a little drawn to the Endeavour 33 i recently have seen. it seems that its boat that has been cared for, but it does seem have a need for bottom strip down and repaint. what is also has is gorgeous interior and seemingly no foul smell. I’m waiting to the weather to get warmer for better inspection. This boat is one of the donated boats to charity (not sure if i necessarily need to be scared about that though. The is another one too, it’s a Catalina 30 it’s a bit older and much less expensive, the owner has used that boat as his first sail boat too and he is claiming a lot of updates have been done to it. So i probably should take a look at that on also
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Does anyone know what the yellow layer is on the boat hull? the pictures are from the hull of Endeavour 33 the paint peeled off. Is this something to worry about, if its simply old paint that’s peeling, would you recommend to completely strip off old paint and repaint, or just paint over. I’m trying to understand how big of the problem this is.
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Does anyone know what the yellow layer is on the boat hull? the pictures are from the hull of Endeavour 33 the paint peeled off. Is this something to worry about, if its simply old paint that’s peeling, would you recommend to completely strip off old paint and repaint, or just paint over. I’m trying to understand how big of the problem this is.

Hi, C,
Looks like degraded gelcoat or epoxy.
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