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**boatman61** · 07-07-2022, 06:54

Oceanlord headroom 6' 4"...

**Pete7** · 07-07-2022, 10:20

That looks quite nice. Shame the OP isn't still around to benefit from the forums experience

**boatman61** · 07-07-2022, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Pete7

That looks quite nice. Shame the OP isn't still around to benefit from the forums experience

Thought I saw a thread from him looking to crew later this month for two weeks and again in August..
Notice he's based in Lisbon in which case this is very handy for him to check over...

https://westerly.apolloduck.com/boat...or-sale/697198

Sailing Hanse37 · 11-07-2022, 08:05

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Originally Posted by boatman61

And built like a brick shithouse by modern standards..

Probably, but is not so important. Important is to have space and stowage and some comfort. These old boats don’t meet that requirement nowadays. Furthermore chances are high you will have 2 major problems:
1. This will be a project boat eating your budget month after month. Everything is used and will need replacement. Pumps, electric circuits, outdated electronics maybe still working for a few months
2. You won’t manage to get insurance. These older boats are commonly refused by insurance companies. And you need insurance ! You will be asked proof of insurance in 90% of all harbours.

We opted for a recent Beneteau 43 and equipped it with 50k extra equipment, total cost about 190k. Don’t try to cut corners, you will be met by the corners needing lots of money. And do not believe the blue water fairy tale: these are mostly very old boats which are not worth the investment to get them up to standard anymore. You could opt for a recent blue water boat… but these will be way out of your budget.

Best advice: choose a good production boat (Bavaria, Beneteau, Jeanneau, Dufour) They are generally well built and up to the task

Sailing Hanse37 · 11-07-2022, 08:12

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Originally Posted by geoff3nebel

“Nice boat, but very cramped by today’s standards…”????
When were you - ‘Go boating now’ - last onboard an Oceanlord, let alone sailed offshore on one? I respectively suggest your opinion is perhaps conditioned by the floating caravans rolling off the production lines of Beneteau and Bavaria…

These what you call floating caravans are very capable sailing boats. Had a friend with a Camper Nicholson (don’t know the length anymore but above 40 feet) who claimed these boats where tupperware caravans. After doing a trip with our 2 boats for 1 week, he never used this expression anymore, since he was slower at every wind strength and every wind angle. We did 2 ocean crossings with our Beneteau without any major problem. Guess you are getting old…

**boatman61** · 11-07-2022, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Sailing Hanse37

Probably, but is not so important. Important is to have space and stowage and some comfort. These old boats don’t meet that requirement nowadays. Furthermore chances are high you will have 2 major problems:
1. This will be a project boat eating your budget month after month. Everything is used and will need replacement. Pumps, electric circuits, outdated electronics maybe still working for a few months
2. You won’t manage to get insurance. These older boats are commonly refused by insurance companies. And you need insurance ! You will be asked proof of insurance in 90% of all harbours.

We opted for a recent Beneteau 43 and equipped it with 50k extra equipment, total cost about 190k. Don’t try to cut corners, you will be met by the corners needing lots of money. And do not believe the blue water fairy tale: these are mostly very old boats which are not worth the investment to get them up to standard anymore. You could opt for a recent blue water boat… but these will be way out of your budget.

Best advice: choose a good production boat (Bavaria, Beneteau, Jeanneau, Dufour) They are generally well built and up to the task

Its obvious you have never been aboard a Westerly Oceanlord, I would lay odds their storage capacity will near double an equivalent size Bene or other French boat.
Tankage of water is irrelevant these days with water makers however even without one could manage on just her tank if one can live without the 20minute shower every day.
I've owned Bene's and sailed the others you've named so not just talking outa my arse and I still reckon the best boat I ever owned for all conditions was my Westerly Longbow.
As for insurance, all one needs is liability even for your Bene 43, can't claim if your dead, only if you **** yourself and hit the EPIRB..

What make you think its a project boat, just because its old..?? The last owner could have been on top of things and maintained it all..
These were built to the highest standard in their day and inspected at every stage unlike today's self regulated CE standard which opts for the lowest acceptable instead of the highest.. its what caused Westerly to crash, the refusal to compromise.
Reread the OP's requirements slowly and his sailing ambitions, the Oceanlord fits them all just need to choose the right one.. like with a used Bene..

Curmugeon · 11-07-2022, 08:59

I see lots of people looking to cross oceans and are counting bathrooms instead of looking at the Brewer Comfort Ratio and Capsize Ratio. I spent 20 years crossing the Atlantic, the Pacific and the Indian Ocean (twice) and see people looking at Fin Keels and Spade Rudders and remember talking to people who thought they could outrun the weather with a faster boat... Good Luck.

**boatman61** · 11-07-2022, 10:52

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/oceanlord-41-westerly

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/beneteau-43

Sailing Hanse37 · 11-07-2022, 10:53

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Originally Posted by boatman61

Its obvious you have never been aboard a Westerly Oceanlord, I would lay odds their storage capacity will near double an equivalent size Bene or other French boat.
Tankage of water is irrelevant these days with water makers however even without one could manage on just her tank if one can live without the 20minute shower every day.
I've owned Bene's and sailed the others you've named so not just talking outa my arse and I still reckon the best boat I ever owned for all conditions was my Westerly Longbow.
As for insurance, all one needs is liability even for your Bene 43, can't claim if your dead, only if you **** yourself and hit the EPIRB..

What make you think its a project boat, just because its old..?? The last owner could have been on top of things and maintained it all..
These were built to the highest standard in their day and inspected at every stage unlike today's self regulated CE standard which opts for the lowest acceptable instead of the highest.. its what caused Westerly to crash, the refusal to compromise.
Reread the OP's requirements slowly and his sailing ambitions, the Oceanlord fits them all just need to choose the right one.. like with a used Bene..

Pppfff, owners of old boats love old boats.

Sailing Hanse37 · 11-07-2022, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Curmugeon

I see lots of people looking to cross oceans and are counting bathrooms instead of looking at the Brewer Comfort Ratio and Capsize Ratio. I spent 20 years crossing the Atlantic, the Pacific and the Indian Ocean (twice) and see people looking at Fin Keels and Spade Rudders and remember talking to people who thought they could outrun the weather with a faster boat... Good Luck.

Most of the boats crossing oceans nowadays are … production boats. I first crossed oceans with a Bavaria 42. Second crossings where with a Beneteau oceanis 43. Neither of the two had any major problems. Almost all modern boats are with fin keels and spade rudders. Only some old surviving models are not and these are impossible to insure nowadays. Insurance company's know best what they want to insure and what not i guess

**boatman61** · 11-07-2022, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Sailing Hanse37

Pppfff, owners of old boats love old boats.

Solo'd a 5yr old Bene 331 I bought in the BVI's to Azores, Portugal, Madeira, Azores then on to the UK.. nice boat but, my 31ft 1973 Longbow had more tankage and usable storage than the Bene.. and a thicker hull.
Pffttt all you want, facts are facts..

Sailing Hanse37 · 11-07-2022, 11:16

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Originally Posted by boatman61

Solo'd a 5yr old Bene 331 I bought in the BVI's to Azores, Portugal, Madeira, Azores then on to the UK.. nice boat but, my 31ft 1973 Longbow had more tankage and usable storage than the Bene.. and a thicker hull.
Pffttt all you want, facts are facts..

Both have very low tankage for circumnavigation, but the difference is 12 liters of diesel ?? Not so much. None of both has ever been designed as blue water cruiser, so i don’t know what the relevance is of your post ? Facts are facts ?

**boatman61** · 11-07-2022, 11:39

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Originally Posted by Sailing Hanse37

Both have very low tankage for circumnavigation, but the difference is 12 liters of diesel ?? Not so much. None of both has ever been designed as blue water cruiser, so i don’t know what the relevance is of your post ? Facts are facts ?

None so blind..