View Poll Results: What yacht brand/model do you recommend for my needs?
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Hallberg-Rassy
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35.29% |
Najad
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17.65% |
Oyster
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11.76% |
Morgan Catalina
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5.88% |
Amel
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6 |
35.29% |
Other (make a comment)
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35.29% |
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04-07-2022, 16:22
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#16
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
Could I suggest on a budget of 80-100k , as you say , rightly holding back fitout and upgrade money , you are kidding yourself thinking you’ll get an oyster , Amel , HR , etc over 40 feet , this money is square in the good quality Bavaria , benny , Jenny market especially at the moment
You need a much bigger budget or trim your expectations, or you’ll end up with a “ project “ boat that will drain all your money , don’t mix boat building and boat sailing , two way different hobbies.
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05-07-2022, 01:55
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#17
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 8
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
How much are you looking to spend on blue water yacht ?
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05-07-2022, 02:32
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#18
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
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Originally Posted by Trintella44a
How much are you looking to spend on blue water yacht ?
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He said originally 80-100k with 40-50 for refurb/fit out
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05-07-2022, 09:19
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#19
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 8
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
Hi there,
Are you currently based in Lefkas ?
If so and you like to view a proven high & low latitude yacht to give you some ideas, you are welcome to view my yacht.
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05-07-2022, 10:22
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#20
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 31,087
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
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Originally Posted by Trintella44a
Hi there,
Are you currently based in Lefkas ?
If so and you like to view a proven high & low latitude yacht to give you some ideas, you are welcome to view my yacht.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
Excellent designer (Van de Stadt) and good build quality.. it'll take you where you want to go..
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05-07-2022, 10:48
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#21
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Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 18,695
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
Could I suggest on a budget of 80-100k , as you say , rightly holding back fitout and upgrade money , you are kidding yourself thinking you’ll get an oyster , Amel , HR , etc over 40 feet , this money is square in the good quality Bavaria , benny , Jenny market especially at the moment
You need a much bigger budget or trim your expectations, or you’ll end up with a “ project “ boat that will drain all your money , don’t mix boat building and boat sailing , two way different hobbies.
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Agreed, the OP is dreaming by choosing some of the high end Scandinavian manufacturers. I suggestion something like this, or as Phil said the Oceanlord. Ask him to deliver the Oceanlord to which ever med port you fancy.
https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/yacht/1...y-425-8346572/
https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/yacht/2...nlord-8366534/
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06-07-2022, 11:33
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#22
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Normandy, France
Boat: Westerly Oceanlord 12.3m
Posts: 125
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
Bonjour,
I have a Westerly Oceanlord that I should like to offer for your consideration.
Briefly: it’s blue water ready - solar, windgen, autopilot, radar, AIS B transceiver, chart plotter, hydrovane self steering, stack pack main, Schaefer furling headsaiy, 4 new 110A house batteries, 4kW generator , hypalon tender, 7 1/2 hp o/b etc. It’s VAT paid and has been berthed in Ouistreham, Normandy, France for the last 3 years. It is part 1 UK registered and I am the sole owner - I own it outright: no mortgage. I am a Brit ex-pat French resident. My boat is currently ashore for anti-fouling, polishing etc. My email is geoffnebel@gmail.com
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06-07-2022, 16:19
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#23
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
Nice boat but very cramped by modern standards
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07-07-2022, 01:20
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#24
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Moderator
Join Date: May 2014
Boat: Shuttleworth Advantage
Posts: 2,750
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
Nice boat but very cramped by modern standards
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Given the budget and the requirements of the OP an Oceanlord is a reliable and comfortable bluewater cruiser.
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07-07-2022, 02:50
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#25
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
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Originally Posted by Tupaia
Given the budget and the requirements of the OP an Oceanlord is a reliable and comfortable bluewater cruiser.
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Yes. Hens teeth are way more plentiful
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07-07-2022, 04:47
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#26
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 31,087
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
Nice boat but very cramped by modern standards
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And built like a brick shithouse by modern standards..
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07-07-2022, 04:51
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#27
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Normandy, France
Boat: Westerly Oceanlord 12.3m
Posts: 125
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
“Nice boat, but very cramped by today’s standards…”????
When were you - ‘Go boating now’ - last onboard an Oceanlord, let alone sailed offshore on one? I respectively suggest your opinion is perhaps conditioned by the floating caravans rolling off the production lines of Beneteau and Bavaria…
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07-07-2022, 05:10
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#28
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 31,087
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
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Originally Posted by geoff3nebel
“Nice boat, but very cramped by today’s standards…”????
When were you - ‘Go boating now’ - last onboard an Oceanlord, let alone sailed offshore on one? I respectively suggest your opinion is perhaps conditioned by the floating caravans rolling off the production lines of Beneteau and Bavaria…
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Irish/EU anti Brit bias..
They (Westerly) built awesome boats.. El Penguino has been sailing his Westerly between Oz and Peru and the Cape for years and he loves his boat.
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07-07-2022, 05:20
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#29
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
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Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61
Irish/EU anti Brit bias..
They (Westerly) built awesome boats.. El Penguino has been sailing his Westerly between Oz and Peru and the Cape for years and he loves his boat.
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I had a friend in cork who owned one. I sailed quite a bit in one. Cramped, dated, but well built. Designed for midgets . Very small for a 41 footer , I was also in the westerly factory in Waterlooville many many years ago.
I suspect I have more British blood in my family line then u. My comments ( like you mentioned in the US exit papers ) are based on my personal experience as well as being 6’4” .like you my opinions are based on my practical experience
As I said nice boats but cramped ( for me )
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07-07-2022, 06:00
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#30
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
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Re: Bluewater cruiser 12m+, EU-taxed
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
I had a friend in cork who owned one. I sailed quite a bit in one. Cramped, dated, but well built. Designed for midgets . Very small for a 41 footer , I was also in the westerly factory in Waterlooville many many years ago.
I suspect I have more British blood in my family line then u. My comments ( like you mentioned in the US exit papers ) are based on my personal experience as well as being 6’4” .like you my opinions are based on my practical experience
As I said nice boats but cramped ( for me )
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Tounge in cheek humour mate..
Doubts on the 'more Brit blood' however.. we were the guardians of the Empire..
But you have to admit the character of the 2 B's and Jeaneau around the great Capes would make them bouncy toys with their flat bottoms and vast interiors become a handicap..
The OP has a certain type of sailing in mind that is not Med or Milk Run cruising.
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