Want To Buy: Bluewater Circumnavigation Capable Sailboat 50K

[roycerichards]

Originally Posted by tarian

Dont give up there out there but you really need to take in a larger area of Search
Dont listen to the nae sayers , people having being going around the world with the Stars, no need for £30000 of Electronics etc
My 42ft Moody Ketch cost me $25000 large keel deep beam rigging sound , old perkins but started every time, sails in moderate age and old electronics , but still had radar , VHF , and old charlplotter , it could sail around the world as soon as I got here , she may have leaked , and not as fast , but it would happen.
But as the lady love likes a nice boat I too k1 year out and refitted her , new wires, heads, stripped back to gelcoat underside re epoxyed, removed treadmaster , Kiwi grip instead, new eltronics were needed , completed strip off of varnish and re varnish whole inside of boat , which is all teak, new windows ,
rubbers, anchor, liferaft,. and sundries , know the wife will get on and thinks shes the Admiral(which she is )
Total cost around $50000 but is not the cost of equipment and other stuff , it is your ability to do it yourself , if not then forget it

Thank you my friend..Very positive and helpful. Actually I am a very fine carpenter ( 20 yrs. In the trade), Marine electrician ( currently), I know some plumbing, and some fiberglass repairing skills.. I am not afraid of working long hours on projects..With that said I do not want a a boat that needs a ton of TLC..thanks again for the positive vibes

[roycerichards]

Originally Posted by roycerichards

I have looked on yachtworld but most Boats on there are day sailors, coastal cruisers , etc..I am looking for a liveaboard bluewater circumnavigation ready to go..any places I should look? Thank you very much for your help.

Ideally 36-42..
If price was too good to turn down ...length down to 32

[picklesandjesse]

[QUOTE=roycerichards;2931838]

Originally Posted by picklesandjesse

You can find a fully equipped Tartan 37 for sale in Raiatea for 25k Euros or about 28k US. Get it for maybe 5k less and go cruising now. Has all the gear you will need. Just listed.[/QUOT

I knew there where boats out there 50k and under..just gotta find them. Thank you picklesandjess��

This is it !!! Sail to Aust... say hello. Downwind from there. Life.This is cruising. Meet the birds !!!

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Hardhead

Mr. Boatman,

Is Boat Alexander a youtube channel, or inversely, some historic figure? Sounds interesting, but I have no idea what the heck it actually is. Google wasn't my friend, but I might be doing it wrong..

Anyway, sounds like a Slocumbesq' story-

My fault, I got the name slightly wrong it should have been Boat Alexandra.
He is a perfect example of the skipper needing to be more Blue Water capable than what is commonly perceived as a 'bluewater capable boat'.
Most boats are capable of the 'Coconut Run'.. however many seem to feel the need to make their boats '5 Capes' capable.
By todays standards Slocum's boat was a project boat from the day he acquired it to the day he died.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by roycerichards

I have looked on yachtworld but most Boston on there are day sailors, coastal cruisers , etc..I am looking for a liveaboard bluewater circumnavigation ready to go..any places I should look? Thank you very much for your help.

You don't say how many crew... however I would suggest looking at some of the late 70's /early 80's Westerlys. .. Such as this https://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1983...dard%20listing or any other similar Westerlys in that size range.

I would buy her in a heartbeat if she presented as shown.....

No boat will be 'ready to go' ... there may always be rig or sails or ? but the price of old Westerlys leaves change in you pocket for that...

It's actually 'Discus' not 'Discuss'......

But here you go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bn913MvwXo

Check out youtube to see what Bob Shepton has done in his ....

[Pizzazz]

Originally Posted by john61ct

The consensus is, maybe one out of 500 boats on the market worldwide that **could** be upfitted for blue water, would meet anyone's definition of ready, and that's just as true for 500 grand as for 50.

And my estimate is that if all these 500 boats left tomorrow to cross the nearest ocean, with average crew, 95% will make it in one shape or another... unless a low probability weather event happens. So, it has as much to do with risk tolerance, comfort expectation and crew preparedness/intelligence.

[john61ct]

Yes, of course the boat does not need to be "fully ready" to have a decent chance of surviving.

OP was expressing a desire for "fully ready", likely seeking to increase their odds.

And my point was that yes, the definition of these terms varies enormously, but in any case very few on the market would meet that of those experienced in passagemaking with no upfitting required.

So, "you're not being realistic", vs "don't be so fussy", and they do not contradict each other.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by john61ct

but in any case very few on the market would meet that of those experienced in passagemaking with no upfitting required.

John, are you really saying that very few $50k boats on the market are ready for going sailing offshore?

I would suggest this side of the pond the very opposite is true.

Pete

[Peregrine1983]

This just showed up on my owner's group. PAINKILLER FOR SALE $56,900 – Pearson 424 Community Site

I'm 90% sure I saw this boat in Bequia last year and she looked great.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by Pete7

John, are you really saying that very few $50k boats on the market are ready for going sailing offshore?

Not for "ready" and "sailing offshore" as you likely mean it.

But yes, I think my "1 out of 500" fits, as a ballpark of course, for **my** risk profile's definition of

"Ready to embark **now** without any upfitting needed on a ** RTW ** voyage"

If many thousands of dollars are available for a wide ranging search,

maybe that means 400 are "ready", out of 20,000 total worldwide in that price range. Is that a lot or very few?

Around Boston, it would be a much smaller number, as OP has found.

[boatman61]

I think this would grow or shrink dependent on the individuals needs.. eg: what I consider comfortable many may consider camping..
What I consider ample may be considered basic by the OP.. and thats before we get to risk tolerance..
Thats why theres maybe 1 delivery skipper in every 10K boat owners.. and even fewer who last more than a couple of seasons.

[Scout 30]

You might want to monitor the thread I provided a link to. I just added another boat to that thread, a Downeast 32 that looks like a good deal. If you've got a budget of 50k I'd recommend not spending much more than 30K & using the rest to upgrade the boat.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...47098-115.html

[Pizzazz]

I believe the key issue here is that many people, newcomers to boating, think of the entry price only and not the overall picture. Most of these people would never go round the world but somehow have a sense of comfort that they have a blue water capable boat.

The real offshore sailors are either those who want to race, in which case they get the cheapest boat with racing potential, then spend as much as the boat is worth on sails and beefing up the rigging and really do not care about comfort, electrical systems, etc. They just want to go fast and this means sails.

The second group is those who are really into the lifestyle and understand that they will spend a lot of time on the boat, so they make it a great living space but the emphasis is on safety, survival without heavy lifting (well put), etc. This cannot be accomplished on a $50K budget. I would say the minimum would be $50K spend per year but the more the better. Then it becomes a financial exercise how much to put in the boat and how much to leave aside for maintenance and partying at the destination. Of course, it can be done for less or more but this is outside the normal distribution.

So, we have to read between the lines of such questions. Typically they are not serious, so such posters will be better served by a coastal boat that could be considered blue water ready with an aggressive risk tolerance profile. They will be happier in the long run.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by john61ct

But yes, I think my "1 out of 500" fits, as a ballpark of course, for **my** risk profile's definition of

"Ready to embark **now** without any upfitting needed on a ** RTW ** voyage"

Wow, that means most of the buyers in the $50k range of yachts need to spend north of $30k and years in a boatyard pulling a perfectly good boat apart preparing for this mega trip. No wonder so few actually leave. Good buy if you can find one though.

Personally I think its more of $50k yacht, good check over prior to purchase. Service the bits and clean the tanks. Perhaps change the rigging and go with the expectation that things will break and you will fix stuff along the way or replace when items wear out like sails. This approach gets you going much more quickly and at a much lower up front cost.

What about all the poor charter skippers that get on a strange boat and just go. How do they survive?

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by Pizzazz

So, we have to read between the lines of such questions. Typically they are not serious, so such posters will be better served by a coastal boat that could be considered blue water ready with an aggressive risk tolerance profile. They will be happier in the long run.

Not sure there is much difference between a coastal and a blue water yacht, but take your point. I doubt most folk will need a tri sail for example apart from using it as a sun shade whilst they spend 6 of the 7 days a week in harbour or at anchor.

I think Phil has said before, its not the boat but the skipper that needs to be up to crossing big stretches of water.