Surveyor for Leopard 38

[loony]

I hope to put an offer on a Leopard 38 tomorrow and need a surveyor with catamaran in the Ft Lauderdale area. Can anyone make a recommendation? I have followed this forum for years while waiting for our cruising plans to take off and now it is here!! Thanks in advance for any help offered

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We've used Paul Antsey four times now... he's always done us right

Paul Antsey
954 - 270 - 1949

[Dave]

Originally Posted by loony

I hope to put an offer on a Leopard 38 tomorrow and need a surveyor with catamaran in the Ft Lauderdale area. Can anyone make a recommendation? I have followed this forum for years while waiting for our cruising plans to take off and now it is here!! Thanks in advance for any help offered

Great choice ! (Is my bias showing ? ) 2001 was a good year, Whats the hull number ?

Dave L38 #38

[catabroker]

The Leopard 38' is a great catamaran, built like a tank

For just over $200k you can pick up a 2005-2006 Leopard 40', and the Leopard 40' sails much better than the older Leopard 38', has fewer 'steps' and lower beds, plus 2 x stall shower in lieu of one on the Leopard 38'. Designed by Gino Morelli, boat of the year in 2005!

As for catamaran surveyors in south Florida, the following 2 have been in business for a long time, and both have surveyed many Leopard catamarans.

Jonathan Sands / Atlantic Marine Group 954 881 5588
Willard (Bill) Burpee 954 600 6690

Good luck with your purchase, let us know how it worked out

Peter Wiersema / Leopard specialist Ft Lauderdale 954 260 4913

[smj]

When I hear a cat being referred to as built like a tank I think very slow. Is the Leopard 38'really slow? Do you have any performance figures?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by smj

When I hear a cat being referred to as built like a tank I think very slow. Is the Leopard 38'really slow? Do you have any performance figures?

I remind that were talking about the old Leopard 38 circa 1999 - 2005? The new 38's are a totally different boat.

I don't have anything quantifiable, only personnal obseravtions... I'm faster on a reach than the average 45ish foot monohulls between Caribbean islands, I get passed by Catanas on all points of sail. Performance would be comparable to Lagoon or Pajot. "Tank" means solid construction but by no means a pig. Exceptionally comfortable handling in big water and wind, the kind of boat that inspires confidence heading offshore. Racing...nope. Longevity..yes.

Dave L38 #38

[FLLCatsailor]

I like Jonathan Sands a lot from Atlantic Marine Group. Have captained for him on numerous sea trials. Very thorough, and very knowledgeable when it comes to cats.

[Stingo]

Forget the cynics on here. The Leopard 38 is a great boat.

[FLLCatsailor]

Originally Posted by Stingo

Forget the cynics on here. The Leopard 38 is a great boat.

I agree with you. They were built like brick shithouses. Not a fast boat, but a WELL built boat.

[bazcatana]

Is the Leopard 40' any good for sailing, I did a Bruce number on one and is was 2 Ton heaver than my Catana 381, strip planking against GRP.

Send me details and I will Bruce number it for you:-

Length, Beam, Sail area Main & Genoa, Weight ex payload, I add that later, Skeggs Yes?? and Slot width, off center line for the Track car.

I can tell you now from my experience, the Bruce will be in the slow lane compaired to my Catana 381.

email bazcatanaATyahooDOTcoDOTuk

Barry Parkinson

[smj]

Originally Posted by bazcatana

Is the Leopard 40' any good for sailing, I did a Bruce number on one and is was 2 Ton heaver than my Catana 381, strip planking against GRP.

Send me details and I will Bruce number it for you:-

Length, Beam, Sail area Main & Genoa, Weight ex payload, I add that later, Skeggs Yes?? and Slot width, off center line for the Track car.

I can tell you now from my experience, the Bruce will be in the slow lane compaired to my Catana 381.

email bazcatanaATyahooDOTcoDOTuk

Barry Parkinson

Strip planking?

[Tropic Cat]

I think he means cold moulded.

Who is this Barry guy anyway? I don't know anyone who owns a cruising catamaran who gives a damn about bruce numbers or SA/D ratios. I don't race my boat, so what's the point?

I think it's possible that another trailer sailor has gotten lost and wandered into the wrong forum. Here, let me help him out.

The Trailer Sailor - Home

[smj]

Originally Posted by Tropic Cat

I think he means cold moulded.

Who is this Barry guy anyway? I don't know anyone who owns a cruising catamaran who gives a damn about bruce numbers or SA/D ratios. I don't race my boat, so what's the point?

I think it's possible that another trailer sailor has gotten lost and wandered into the wrong forum. Here, let me help him out.

The Trailer Sailor - Home

I don't know what Barry means. It's balsa core vs foam core. I think the Bruce numbers may give some insight into the performance of the boat and for some that is important. But hell you can get all the performance numbers you need from Multihull Dynamics.

[tamicatana]

smj, please tell us about Multihull Dynamics. I was interested in getting data about my Catana, but they want a lot of info/registry and I'm leery of that. Are you registered with MD?

[bazcatana]

Originally Posted by smj

I don't know what Barry means. It's balsa core vs foam core. I think the Bruce numbers may give some insight into the performance of the boat and for some that is important. But hell you can get all the performance numbers you need from Multihull Dynamics.

STRIP PLANKING, let me see what that must mean, I'm sure Chris White, Leopard, Schionning and other Catamaran designers/Builders know, thats right they have sent me hundreds of production photographs of their STRIP PLANKING construction method.

You must know what this means guys, build a frame using your bulkheads, on the curved bit (that is the bottom bit of the Hull) they use timber planks of something like 1.5" x 0.75" something like that and fix that to the bulkheads, ply or some such timber is used for the flat panels.

Bruce numbers: Power to weight ratio; what a good way of finding out if the Cat is too heavy with a small rig and it does not stand a chance of being quick.

Take the 'Seawind' 1250, I asked the Dealer in Australia to explain to us Forum readers why that Cat has a 1.11 Bruce number which is slow, he never replied did you, does not want the truth to come out.

I can tell you what I know about the 'Seawind' 1250, it is 12.5m and has a small sail area, and it is heavy by comparison to other Cats on the market.

A Bruce number starts you off in the right direction, if you want a Bucket 1.11 is OK, 1.30 is better, that's what my Cat does, if i.40 is too high for you to handle, don't go there, it is simple, ask the right questions, get the right answers and progress and ask the questions like I did.

When the 'Seawind' Dealer does not answer your question about the low Bruce number (1.11) find out why, if your happy with his answer, buy it.

Many people are not happy with the Catamaran that they thought be fast and get overtaken by Monohulls, I get brassed off when it happens to me.

Come on guys, sailing Caravan days are numbered, sailing Condos are out so that leaves real sailing Catamarans, not Buckets with a Mast.

I don't want to brake the World speed record in my Catamaran, I just wish the production Cats had 3 of the 6 design elements required for it to sail better, that's not too much to ask is is Mr Seawind.

Have a nice day: The notorious Barry Parkinson, the Tornado helmsman nobody has herd of.