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Old 21-06-2010, 06:51   #1
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Upsizing Alternators on Yamaha 9.9hp Motors

Hi I'm seeking advice, I'm in late stages of build a fast light low profile open 12.5 m cat she will be powered by twin 9.9 hp Yamaha outboards Has anyone used a bigger than supplied alternator on one of these successfully. Given outboards im tight on power generation which is fine for day sailing regatta sailing. I want outboards for simplicity and no props in water.

The boat is a cabrio style bit like SIG 45 so is designed to convert to go cruising when I will need more power generation. major loads ...fridge, Tiller pilot, nav computer. So then I add more solar say 400 watts of panels an Air breeze wind gen Even then not much reliable power.

I look at Honda 2Kva generator as backup but it seems the charging on this for say 300AH will take forever given low output. I think 8A at 12 v or similar at 240V. Am i right or am i missing something. Hence my question welcome experienced responses.
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A 2,000 Watt generator will power a 100A ➛ 120 Amp 12V (nominal) battery charger.
(2,000W max. x 0.85 = 1,700W cont.) ÷ 14.2V = 119.7 Amp
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using AC output via 100Amp or so charger gets me there

I was planning to use an Inverter Charger So I need to make sure that said Charger can handle loads of up to circa 120Amps. Then I plus the A/C output from generator into charger and i will be able to top off Batteries faster, assuming the batteries can handle that charge rate.

Im hoping to cruise Australia northern half, Indonesia, Phillipines, Thailand area, Im probably going to need to take charge from 110 to 250 a/c sources, any suggestions of a good Inverter charger setup that will suite?
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Re: Upsizing Alternators on Yamaha 9.9hp Motors

Unless you intend to motor a considerable amount I wouldn't bother trying to get more power out of your 9.9s (my Roger Simpson 12.2 meter is powered by the same motors, and I went with a small but suitably sized AGM per outboard for starting but am otherwise independent of ships power). If you're going to motor a lot it might add up to being worth considering though.

Since I last upgraded my electrical system a number of years ago and the technology is continuing to improve I would probably recommend more solar and storage than I currently have (four trojan 105-REs in terms of storage capacity and three 145 watt solar panels in terms of production, plus two of the first generation Watt & Sea hydrogenerators of which only I run one at a time).

Depending on where you and how you sail wind generators makes a ton of sense, no sense at all, or somewhere in between. The same could be said for my hydrogenerators, and for the relative weighting of solar to other technologies.

I also have a Yamaha 2800i generator (from my opinion best in terms of still small enough / light enough to carry around but produces enough electricity to run a dust extractor and single power tool..). I don't use the generator much, but it's great for if I get into a significant energy deficit and I would not go without it (I really beat the hell out of my batteries sailing from Alaska to Cali because at the time I didn't have a generator or hydrogenerators and solar wasn't enough largely due to storms/clouds/autopilot draw...) But I generally only the generator if I need to run power tools with dust extraction, or want to avoid too heavy of a draw on batteries if I'm using my electric windlass to pull my anchor with a relative high load due to depth or other conditions.
Also, in terms of using a Honda or Yamaha generator, their DC output is a side thought for marketing and pretty much a joke. Getting something along the lines of a NOCO battery charger or any other genuine battery charger which is powered by the generator is the way to go (which doesn't get away from a battery can only receive so much energy at a given time, which is largely dependent on state of charge and temperature, but assuming a reasonable size battery bank will be MUCH more efficient...). Also if you were to go the route I mentioned of having the small jetski AGM starting batteries for the outboards to save weight I would highly recommend getting something like the NOCO boost x or other lithium ion jump starter "just in case" even though the smaller jet ski AGMs for starting the 9.9s haven't been a problem for me.
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Re: Upsizing Alternators on Yamaha 9.9hp Motors

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A 2,000 Watt generator will power a 100A ➛ 120 Amp 12V (nominal) battery charger.
(2,000W max. x 0.85 = 1,700W cont.) ÷ 14.2V = 119.7 Amp
a honda 2000 is good for around 80amps.

a 100a charger draws around 18a. they are far from 100% eff.
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Re: Upsizing Alternators on Yamaha 9.9hp Motors

Is there an upgrade for the alternator? Doesn't seem you could upgrade it very much, magnets in the rim of the flywheel and a coil in the hollow of the flywheel doesn't leave much room to upgrade.
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