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Old 22-04-2018, 12:51   #16
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Re: Shore power shock felt from ladder

Please go buy a fiberglass ladder. Aluminum ladders are lighter to carry, but they all too frequently become the source of a much heavier load... one typically shared by six of your friends and relatives.
Granted, the actual electrical failure was not CO used by the ladder, but why invite electrocution?
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Old 22-04-2018, 14:55   #17
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Re: Shore power shock felt from ladder

"ground at the base of the ladder was wet. The boat was plugged in and charging by way of a long extension cord to a power pole. Another live extension cord was hanging off my boat onto the ground. "
It is possible that everything was just fine, BUT somewhere water was getting at one of the lie wires and that's all it takes, even a heavy dew formation can reach into the pins of a standard extension cord and put a "tingle" down 100' of the exterior plastic.
You're lucky it was just a tingle and you weren't thrown off the ladder.

For $5-10 in any hardware store you can get an outlet tester. Three green LEDs if everything is right, some red if something is wrong. Makes it very simple to check plugs for gross errors.

There are also non-contact pen testers, they look like a big cheap plastic pen, and you just hold the tip near a suspect wire or fitting. If the wire is energized, the tip of the "pen" lights up to warn you. Usually used to make sure fixtures are dead before you work on them, vaguely $20? but it might be worthwhile in the changing situations of a boatyard, to know it was safe before touching something on a damp day.

Now, if the problem was some wet cord energizing the ground...harder to find, you'd need to chase that one. But if your lifelines were energized, I'd question the wiring on the boat very carefully. In theory a "marine" connection on the boat shouldn't be able to have that damp-to-cord leakage, something else might be wrong.
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Old 22-04-2018, 17:14   #18
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Re: Shore power shock felt from ladder

I have twice bad to fix similar problems. On a a boat that I worked on regularly workers got shocks from propeller or other grounded parts. Eventually I tracked it down to faulty wiring at the boat yard. A very useful tool for finding the problem is the small circuit tester found at hardware stores and building supply stores. When plugged into an outlet the indicator lights tell whether the ground is missing or the neutral and hot are reversed. Or neutral missing. By starting at the problem and working backwards eventually the source of the issue can be found. Good luck.
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Old 22-04-2018, 18:25   #19
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Thanks, all. This stuff is complicated but I’m learning. It turns out that it was a bad outlet in the yard. The outlet showed 120 volts on a multimeter between the two prong holes, but each also showed about 60 volts when connected to the third ground hole. It’s my understanding that the small one (hot) should show 120 volts and the big one should show nothing when connected to the ground, so presumably there is some bad connection in the yard’s electrical system and both prongs were hot. So with some reversal of polarity, everything bonded on my boat became hot, including the lifelines, and the current was eager to find the ground through myself and the ladder.

They taped off the outlet box and they’re going to have their electrician look at it. The other nearby outlets tested normally with a multimeter.

If anything I said doesn’t make sense please let me know!
A setup in which the current-wires are equally "spaced" around earth is not necessarily unsafe provided you do not connect the Protective Earth wire to one of the current-carrying wires.
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While plugged in to shore power and charging in the yard, I felt some current coming from the stanchion into my hand as I was standing on the ladder. I immediately unplugged the extension cord from the outlet. Everything else appears normal and all connections look good. Is this a problem with my wiring or the boatyard’s? How might I troubleshoot this? Thanks

Check y our cord for abrasion in the area where they go over your lifelines. What is your lifeline/staunchion setup? Strictly speaking your staunchions and lifelines should not be connected to anything on the boat electrically.
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Old 22-04-2018, 20:04   #21
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Re: Shore power shock felt from ladder

Does that mean the outlet had 60V on the ground? That's incredibly dangerous. I'm not sure a GFCI would protect against that.

Does anyone understand how this could happen?

Guess this is a classic case of why you're supposed to check a new shore power source before you plug in.
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Thanks, all. This stuff is complicated but I’m learning. It turns out that it was a bad outlet in the yard. The outlet showed 120 volts on a multimeter between the two prong holes, but each also showed about 60 volts when connected to the third ground hole. It’s my understanding that the small one (hot) should show 120 volts and the big one should show nothing when connected to the ground, so presumably there is some bad connection in the yard’s electrical system and both prongs were hot. So with some reversal of polarity, everything bonded on my boat became hot, including the lifelines, and the current was eager to find the ground through myself and the ladder.

They taped off the outlet box and they’re going to have their electrician look at it. The other nearby outlets tested normally with a multimeter.

If anything I said doesn’t make sense please let me know!
The neutral, as well as live, should be totally isolated from ground on your boat. Just a fault on the neutral should not cause this issue. If your neutral does connect to ground, and you don't have a reversed polarity alarm, it's a death trap. (Even if you do actually)
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Old 23-04-2018, 02:32   #23
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Re: Shore power shock felt from ladder

This sounds like a broken neutral, downstream of the yard distribution box. (or in it) This can be a difficult fault to find as the earth (ground) and neutral may be linked at the source of the supply. I dont think either a ground fault detector or a residual current detector will trip in this fault. It is a very dangerous fault, and could cause a fatality. A profesional electrician with proper instruments should be able to find the fault, but this is not a DIY project.
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Re: Shore power shock felt from ladder

Boatyards are notorious for having power issues, especially in South America. We always ran a ground wire from the prop shaft to a rod in the ground just to be safe.
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The neutral, as well as live, should be totally isolated from ground on your boat.

Can I check this with a multimeter by testing for continuity between the green and white wires on my AC panel? Or between the neutral hole on one of my boat’s AC outlets and a bonded piece of metal?
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Re: Shore power shock felt from ladder

Still lots of bad information here.
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Can I check this with a multimeter by testing for continuity between the green and white wires on my AC panel? Or between the neutral hole on one of my boat’s AC outlets and a bonded piece of metal?
This book details all the checks for shore power outlet, your cable, and the boat itself, in very clear steps with illustrations.

https://www.amazon.com/Caseys-Comple.../dp/0071462848

It's a very handy thing to have around.
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Still lots of bad information here.
Which would be a helpful post if you indicated which info is wrong. As it is....
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If you don't recognize the wrong or questionable information, do not work with electricity.
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Old 23-04-2018, 07:41   #30
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Re: Shore power shock felt from ladder

The OP wasn't working with electricity, he had a problem while using it. A problem that everyone on this forum could learn from, which learning could possibly save someone's life.

What's interesting is that you'd rather use the opportunity to score cheap points.
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