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01-01-2018, 20:09
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Marine Service Provider
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by contrail
Whilst motoring, and in place of your steaming light and stern light, yes, but you can't have a stern light, as well. If you are sailing, then you can't use it, but must use the stern light. I used to do exactly that. When using the masthead combination, I simply unscrewed the very accessible stern light bulb. When sailing, I put it back in. Switches would have been better!
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Or a trilight when sailing.
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01-01-2018, 20:54
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#32
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Marine Service Provider
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
Another vote for Signal Mate; they make several models (indeed, they make an outstanding range of LED nav lights). Made in the USA...
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02-01-2018, 03:10
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#33
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Registered User
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by TreblePlink
Minor thread drift ... 28 foot sailboat - If I have red & green port & starboard, can I use just an all around white on top of my mast?
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No. That would show red/green and white from ahead - making you look like a vessel under power.
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02-01-2018, 09:04
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#34
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Marine Service Provider
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by StuM
No. That would show red/green and white from ahead - making you look like a vessel under power.
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But the correct combination if under power.
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02-01-2018, 10:31
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#35
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by a64pilot
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I have this same Marinebeam combo unit, and am happy with it so far. I agree with others that LEDs don't offer any particular advantage for the steaming light, but for the deck light, the LED gives a heck of a lot of illumination for a piddling amount of amps.
I can't vouch for long-term ruggedness of this unit, but it's certainly better than the Hella combo light that it replaced. The lens/cover for the deck light portion of the old Hella was knocked off several times when slapped by the genoa leech during a tack. Since the Marinebeam is a sealed unit and doesn't have any removable cover, it's immune to that particular problem.
FWIW - I've also had good luck with other Marinebeam products, and gotten prompt and knowledgeable support from them when I had questions.
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02-01-2018, 13:22
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
Quick google shows the cut off for all white while under way is 16 ft above which stern and steaming lights must be separate.
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02-01-2018, 19:02
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#37
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by admiralslater
Quick google shows the cut off for all white while under way is 16 ft above which stern and steaming lights must be separate.
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Google is not always correct.
Rule 23, section d of colregs:
"A power driven vessel of less than 12 meters in length may, in lieu of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this rule, exhibit an all-round white and side lights."
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02-01-2018, 19:08
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#38
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by mitiempo
Google is not always correct.
Rule 23, section d of colregs:
"A power driven vessel of less than 12 meters in length may, in lieu of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this rule, exhibit an all-round white and side lights."
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Correct, but since we were talking about sail boats, the issue of lighting when under sail alone is not addressed by this combination.
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02-01-2018, 19:31
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#39
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
Correct, but since we were talking about sail boats, the issue of lighting when under sail alone is not addressed by this combination.
Jim
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Under sail alone either red/green and a stern light or a tricolor.
Most sailboats have engines.
A sailboat must exhibit a steaming light and stern light(or if under 12 meters an all round white light) and red/green lights if under power or if the engine is running - if in gear or not.
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02-01-2018, 19:58
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by mitiempo
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Not true. A masthead light ("steaming light") is required for a "power driven vessel"
From Rule 3:
(b) The term “power-driven vessel” means any vessel propelled by machinery.
(c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.
By any reasonable interpretation, an engine that is not in gear is not "propelling" the vessel.
An engine that is running, but not in gear does NOT turn you into a power driven vessel until it is "being used" to propel the vessel, i.e., the steaming light is only required AFTER you put your engine in gear.
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02-01-2018, 20:29
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#41
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
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Originally Posted by billknny
Not true. A masthead light ("steaming light") is required for a "power driven vessel"
From Rule 3:
(b) The term “power-driven vessel” means any vessel propelled by machinery.
(c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.
By any reasonable interpretation, an engine that is not in gear is not "propelling" the vessel.
An engine that is running, but not in gear does NOT turn you into a power driven vessel until it is "being used" to propel the vessel, i.e., the steaming light is only required AFTER you put your engine in gear.
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I stand corrected. I read it somewhere in the past, thought it was in colregs, but just checked and cannot find it
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03-01-2018, 05:20
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#42
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
I recommend Signalmate. See https://signalmate.com/navigation-li...anchor-3-wire/
I used one of these, and it worked great.
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03-01-2018, 07:48
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#43
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Re: Combination masthead (steaming)/deck lights
I have the Forespar fixture fitted by the builder and every 10 years I drop the mast to update the haulyards etc. Of course I pulled early and the mast was parked on the bottom of the rack and with the great Canadian/Ontario Vortex of 2017 it was under water for April thru July. Result I had to pull the fixture and clean up the contacts. Bulbs had never been replaced and I considered led for the steaming light (deck light is halogen) and Defender didn't have one available. They sent a replacement incandestant but it had the dimples instead of the tits. I should have left well enuf alone. Since you have the steaming light on when motoring I replaced the light with the proper incndesant from the local West Marine outlet and chalked the whole thing up to a learning experience.
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