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Old 04-09-2020, 13:34   #46
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My thoughts exactly Nobodies going to be peeing in my bilge, virgin or otherwise
Can’t do this ritual in Florida because there aren’t any virgins.
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Hi all,

I was reading a viking historical novel and it described that when a boat changes name, to avoid bad luck the owner would have a virgin pees in the bilge. Have anyone heard of this ritual? Does the virgin has to be a girl or boy will do? For Cat, both bilged have to be peed in, right? I thought giving a toast and gift to Neptune is sufficient.

Just curious.
These days the virgins can be boy, girl or transgender and if it’s a cat one would have to be black and the other white.
That’s easy, the problem will be finding a virgin😷
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Re: Renaming a boat and the ritual

Not superstitious and not Easily religiously bent out of shape unless you insist I am wrong and must do it your way.

Keep it fun.

Good excuse to have a nice party and introduce your friends to the new boat.
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I don’t mean to hijack your thread, but I’m curious about the fact that all the rituals I’ve seen described are essentially pagan. Many people may not be bothered by this, but for sailors of certain religions (I don’t suppose there are so many other religious Jews out there, but certainly many Christians and Muslims would have the same issue) would consider making an offering to Neptune to be problematic.
Your statement lends one to think you're jewish. Okay. The thing about those 'pagan' rituals is that the're more interesting. All that debauchery. Hard to resist sometimes. You know, like when the party gets going. Named my boat with an Azteca word, although I've learned that the Mayans had a similar one. But alas I could not for the life of me find a High Priest, or even a Priestess to pee in my bildge. Settled for my Pastor. So far so good.
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Hi all,

I was reading a viking historical novel and it described that when a boat changes name, to avoid bad luck the owner would have a virgin pees in the bilge. Have anyone heard of this ritual? Does the virgin has to be a girl or boy will do? For Cat, both bilged have to be peed in, right? I thought giving a toast and gift to Neptune is sufficient.

Just curious.
In my earnest view, pee may be dispensed with so long as the First Rule of Naming Boats is observed: boats are female and need feminine names.

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Old 04-09-2020, 21:08   #51
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Ridiculous custom have renamed every boat I’ve ever owned never had a problem! Grow up change the name save the piss for somebody’s pool, drink the champagne!!!!!!!
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I was once on a boat where three of the five of us were Anglican priests.
I asked them their thoughts and no-one had any concerns.
Goes to the knowledge of priests.
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Re: Renaming a boat and the ritual

I guess it is one up to the person.

This topic cannot cater for both sides of the religion issue.

For the religious ones alone this is:

A pagan tradition it is. As one poster said - the alure is great.

Religion is not dull, but extravagant pagan rituals wish to paint it so.

My Bible says that I shall not even call the pagan gods by their name. Thus let alone bringing sacrificial offerings in their name and bestow glory on them begging their custodianship.

Maiden urine, is still just urine and any call on luck, is still an act against our Bible which prohibits a call of luck on the goddess of fortune.

Being a Christian or non-religious, is irrelevant to the vessel. As much as Christians and non-Christians are in vehicle accidents, so both will be at the peril of the seas.

Although the Bible has three records of vessels enduring the wrath of the seas, none succumbed to the peril, albeit it been close calls.

Thus, if you wish to follow pagan rituals or bring offerings to deities, feel free to do so. But for the religious few, abstain from such actions. Whether your vessel survive such an ordeal or not, your actions are not judged in this world.

For those who seek virgins and find them not, our parenting is at fault.
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In my earnest view, pee may be dispensed with so long as the First Rule of Naming Boats is observed: boats are female and need feminine names.

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Oh really? Just why is that Brian? Superstious?
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Virgins are horribly expensive... I'd use the rum sacrifice to King Neptune instead... A hogshead should do and be much more economical...
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Re: Renaming a boat and the ritual

JamesPNW

I am assuming your Avatar Name, indicates your not sailing the North Sea home of the Vikings.

Since it is the Salish Sea you plan to explore, care might be advised. A local Shaman from the First Nation might be a wise consideration.

It has been a few years, but the local Shaman (at least he said he was a Shaman) brought Herbs and Sage to the slip. Prayers were said. Smoke was waved. And vocal cries to the Ancients, "Bless this boat, bring the Skipper and Crew good fortune" were invoked.

We celebrated with a sharing of 12 year old Aged Rum.

Was it worth the experience. Absolutely. I have cruised the Juan DFuca and been rewarded with fair weather and moderate breezes. When engulfed in a fog bank near Admiralty Inlet, a fishing boat came out of the fog intent on sinking my boat, yet I escaped with minimal boat damage and no one hurt.

Who can say why this good fortune on that day. But it couldn't hurt to follow renaming traditions.
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The ocean is so vast and many unknowns, I am not superstitious but it is good to follow ocean goers traditions the area that I often felt incompetent and inadequate knowledge. Virgin piss helps appeasing the Gods then virgin piss I shall find. Fortunately I am not in Florida otherwise it would be hard to find as one of the poster said.
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Used my 3 month old granddaughter’s diaper. That has been five years so far and all is good. Used her and my wife’s middle names and christened the vessel Dakota Lee.

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When we renamed ours to Fuzzy Logic we used Champaign (rum is interesting too!) and the following:





"In the name of all who have sailed aboard this ship in the past, and in the name of all who may sail aboard her in the future, we invoke the ancient gods of the wind and the sea to favor us with their blessings today.

We ask our witnesses; do you attest to the resolve of her crew to sail her kindly, to attend to her needs and to respect the seas, the currents and the winds?

Everyone says in their heartiest voice, “Aye!”

"Mighty Neptune, king of all that moves in or on the waves; and mighty Aeolus, guardian of the winds and all that blows before them:

"We offer you our thanks for the protection you have afforded this vessel in the past. We voice our gratitude that she has always found shelter from tempest and storm and enjoyed safe passage to port.

"Now, wherefore, we submit this supplication, that the name whereby this vessel has hitherto been known “Big Easy”, be struck and removed from your records.

"Further, we ask that when she is again presented for blessing with another name, she shall be recognized and shall be accorded once again the selfsame privileges she previously enjoyed.

"In return for which, we rededicate this vessel to your domain in full knowledge that she shall be subject as always to the immutable laws of the gods of the wind and the sea.

"In consequence whereof, and in good faith, we seal this pact with a libation offered according to the hallowed ritual of the sea."

We now pour drinks for everyone * don’t drink yet!

"For thousands of years, we have gone to sea. We have crafted vessels to carry us and we have called them by name. These ships will nurture and care for us through perilous seas, and so we affectionately call them "she." To them we toast, and ask to celebrate Fuzzy Logic."

Everybody raises their glass and says loudly:

"TO THE SAILORS OF OLD…TO FUZZY LOGIC" Everybody takes a sip.

"The moods of the sea are many, from tranquil to violent. We ask that this ship be given the strength to carry on. The keel is strong and she keeps out the pressures of the sea."

Again the glasses are raised, and everybody shouts, "TO THE SEA...TO THE SAILORS OF OLD...TO THE SEA!" Everybody takes another sip.

"Today we come to name this lady Fuzzy Logic, and send her to sea to be cared for, and to care for all who sail aboard her on this great inland sea. We honor her with the name of an old salt; a man of letters, a philosopher, a theologian, sailor.

We now raise the Lake Monroe Sailing Association and Cowan Lake Sailing Association burgees in tribute to the home port of Fuzzy Logic and in memory of William “Fuzzy Logic” Duffy.

“We ask the sailors of old and the mood of God that is the sea to accept Fuzzy Logic as her name, to help her through her passages, and allow her to return with her crew safely."

Again, raise glasses and shout,

"TO THE SEA...TO THE SAILORS BEFORE US...TO FUZZY LOGIC!"

A last, long sip by all.

We now pour champagne over the bow to appease King Neptune, and lay a branch of green leaves on the deck to ensure safe returns.


Thank you for the change name ceremony speech. I will have to print it out to read.
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Funny blog, not too sure about the virgine thing though.
Bulk carrier change their name according to available tax incentives and dont seem to have too much bad luck.
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