General Info: Lagoon or FP ?

[sea garden]

hi, I am new here and am looking to buy either a Lagoon 450 or the Salina 48, any help in choosing a better choice who be great

[Palarran]

Hi Sea Garden. Welcome to the forum. I'm sure there are plenty of people who will post their opinion but I would suggest you search the past threads also. There have been about 10 very detailed threads in the past relating to making this choice. They may not be specific to these two boats but you will get a lot out of them, I'm sure. The best way to find them is the google search option.

My personal opinion is for the FP's. I like the design better. But I'm biased.

[Dragon Lady]

Have you looked at the boats?
We found the choice very easy when we looked at all the boats at the boat show.

[maxingout]

I chartered the two catamarans that I was considering purchasing before I made up my mind. During the charter, it became obvious which cat fit us like a glove. A week on board any catamaran really sorts out all the pros and cons of each design.

A charter clarifies which compromises will be most acceptable to you. And if you are lucky, you will have bad weather during each charter to see how the yachts handle sailing to windward in rough conditions.

[muskoka]

Are you looking for a new boat? Or used?

[sea garden]

new boat,just have read so many conflicking reports am looking for some firsthand knowledge

[muskoka]

Hi Sea Garden,

There is no definitive answer to your question. Every boat is a balance between performance, comfort and price. In a nutshell, you mostly can't have all three.

FP & Lagoon are both production boats. Each fills a slightly different niche. So, your personal predilection will mostly determine which would be more to your liking.

In any event, FP's & Lagoon's are, shall we say, the Fords of the boating world. They deliver value for money, decent engineering, and there are a lot of owners who are very pleased with them. Myself included.

If you want more relevant feedback on this you should extend some effort into describing what you want to do, who you are, your sailing experience and your expectations.

[yeloya]

I read yr question Salina vs. Lagoon 450 rather than FP vs. Lagoon.. FP (in general) is faster and more seaworthy, the rest being more or less equal. However, Salina is the heaviest boat in FP range and probably 450 would sail better. The rest (design features, etc) is up to yr taste.
You should also take into account whether you will use it mpstly inshore or offshore.
After all, they are both good value for money.
Good luck

Yeloya

[sea garden]

I thank everyone for their input, it has been helpfull, expecially since I could have been better explaining what my confusion is. Both boat do have their plusses and minusses. Lagoon more storage available, as Salina 48 I hear is a bit lacking in that area finish qualities ?????? I realise neither is a LUXURY BUT AS BEEN STATED MORE ALONG THE LINE OF A FORD, NOT A LUXURY CAR. What I would like input on is which would be better at holding up better in the long run and which would be more single handed friendly and have the better performance of the 2.

[muskoka]

Regarding performance:

Model..........Lagoon 450....Salina 48
Weight.........15.5 T..........10.5 T
Sail Area......135 sm.........136 sm

Both boats carry the same sail area. One is 5 tons lighter. Guess which will sail better?

In general, Lagoons offer a lot more interior space than a similarly sized FP. So, FP designs for sailing performance, whilst Lagoon offers creature comforts. You can't have both on a fixed budget.

Other than that, they're both production boats and I honestly wouldn't expect much difference in durability between the two. After all, once you get past the fibreglass and interior furniture there're both using Yanmar/Volvo engines, Lewmar/Harken deck gear, Raymarine/Garmin electronics, etc.

[paulrack]

I would be very surprised if the Salina 48 is 10 000kg. A friend has a Lipari who said his boat actually weighed just over 9 000kg (quoted 7 600kg)and that is a lot smaller.

[yeloya]

Originally Posted by paulrack

I would be very surprised if the Salina 48 is 10 000kg. A friend has a Lipari who said his boat actually weighed just over 9 000kg (quoted 7 600kg)and that is a lot smaller.

I agree, Salina should be about 10,5-11 tons (light displacement) but 9 tons for Lipari seems exagerated to me. I have sailed both Salina and Lipari and the latter is much more lively and feels really light. İf not, 7.600 kg, she proabably is 8.000, max 8.200-8.300..

How accurate was the weighing ? Was it fully unloaded ?

Cheers

Yeloya

[muskoka]

Originally Posted by paulrack

I would be very surprised if the Salina 48 is 10 000kg. A friend has a Lipari who said his boat actually weighed just over 9 000kg (quoted 7 600kg)and that is a lot smaller.

I think you can safely assume that all manufacturers claims understate the boats weight.

They quote 'light ship' on top of which you can add gensets, batteries, dinghy's, spare sails, ropes & personal effects. Fuel & water alone will add around 1000 kg to most boats.

We can nitpick about brochure versus actual displacements but Lagoon state that their boat is 5,000 kg heavier. It doesn't carry any more sail. It'll be slower.

[sea garden]

muskoka, you have that right, I have seen the same boat listed in in several different brokers each listing different displacements and not by just a few kg. that is why I am here to find out the unbiased opinons of others