39: Lagoon 39 Experiences?

[geoff326]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

L39 is fine sail boat.



"L39 should do well against wind.

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I'd be interested to know why you think this.

[jbpatents]

Thank you all and keep it coming. We are down to two : the L39 vs FP Lucia 40. Lucia is leading.

[rabbi]

Ask Lagoon how many boat were built last year of the 39 and the 400.

My bet is the 400 outnumbered the 39 by far, even though the 400 is already considered an old design. That should tell you something about how the market thinks about the 39.

[rabbi]

Originally Posted by jbpatents

Thank you all and keep it coming. We are down to two : the L39 vs FP Lucia 40. Lucia is leading.

Lucia is the more modern design, much much lighter (and still fat for a cat), better sail plan.

I'd prefer the Lucia over the 39 anytime, but for the price tag of the Lucia I'd go for the 400 instead.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by geoff326

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I'd be interested to know why you think this.

relatively narrow cat so screecher can point higher.Based on polars al the way to 50 true. 4 kn in 5 kn wind not bad.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...15339255,d.dGo

i was looking at 39 also but simply did not feel big enough. 400 felt just perfect.

[jbinbi]

Looked at 39, bought 380. If you plan on getting good sailing performance in 12 kt or less, you will need code 0, etc. My dealer was very upfront about this. If you are sailing in the carrib, no problems as winds are normally 15 to 25, 39 will do nicely. Boat is very heavy, lagoon supposedly has a plan to take some weight out.

Also, according to some dealers, the reason 400s are never at shows is because the don't think they would ever sell many 39s vs. 400. Don't know if that is really true.

39 is a nice boat but you need to know what you ate getting. What is price dif between 39, 400 and 42? 42 is selling very well.

Also , fp40 goes against 42,and I think 42 wins.

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[jbpatents]

Jbinbi, "Looked at 39, bought 380" says a lot about the L39.
The new L42 is very nice, but almost $100k more than L39. The Lucia is cheaper than the L39.

[jbinbi]

bought the 380 because I couldn't afford more. 39 cockpit is much nicer than 380. lucia out the door is min ~450.

[TOT]

Originally Posted by rabbi

Ask Lagoon how many boat were built last year of the 39 and the 400.

My bet is the 400 outnumbered the 39 by far, even though the 400 is already considered an old design. That should tell you something about how the market thinks about the 39.

The 400 is a great cat and l feel rabbi is correct with the numbers built the 400 should be higher.


SV TOT
Wayne 😃

[rabbi]

Just based on a gut feeling the 39 is non-seller (and in light wnids a non-sailor). I would not want to own one for fear of losing a ton of money on resale value. I just doubt they are in high demand.

I have seen only two in real life, one used for charter in the Ionian Sea, the other one sitting on the dealer dock since day 1.

[TOT]

The L39 is a nice looking boat (have a new one being commissioned on the next dock) here in Singapore, l just prefer the L400S2.


SV TOT
Wayne 😃

[django37]

I still have only a few race/rally results for the L39

[careka]

The new 42 is selling very good. wonder what it can preform this summer.

[mikall63]

Sorry for this post as I know it's a bit late and the thread has changed a bit. Last July Bunt and Factor were asking about experiences upwind on the L39. I finally remembered to take a picture of our instruments this past weekend. I'm not yet a very good sailor, so I think with the correct sail trim this could be improved, but this is what we were able to maintain, up to about 5.3 knots for about 3-4 hours up Colvos Passage in Puget Sound.

[faa50]

For those interested in learning about a Lagoon 39 from a current owner, below are my observations and experiences aboard hull 49 built in 2013 but a 2014 model. My wife and I are full-time live aboards cruising the Caribbean Sea.

The boat sails better than I expected. I've been a devote monohull sailor for the past 40 years prior to buy the 39 cat. For reference - our sail plan includes a square-top main, self-tacking jib and a Code O all factory installed. Factory issued/Doyle standard sail material.

- Top speed 11.2 knots on broad reach, with a .6 kt favorable current in the Anegada Passage. Wind 18-22 kts with gust to 25.

- Goes to windward 35-40% off wind, generally requires 80-90 degree tacks.

- Straight downwind is a "no" go due to the location of shrouds too far aft limiting sweep of boom. Spinnaker could resolve this issue with rigging running from each bow.

- Main sail only with jib reefed 100% broad reach average 6.8 - 7.2 knots with .6 favorable current in Antiqua Channel. Winds 15-19 kts, sea state 3-5 swells.

- Light air sailing with Code O. With 2-4 kt tropical breeze, glass water surface achieved 3-4 kts hull speed with deployed Code O and full main with increased draft. Fresh breeze 8-10 kts saw increased hull speed 4-4.5 kts. Winds increasing to 10-12 saw hull speed increase to 5-6.5 kts. CAUTION !!!! I made the mistake of deploying Code O with winds consistent 15-17 and gusting. Bad error on Captain's part. Resulted in significant flogging of sail and bent the continuous roller furler. Nearly $600 later all is repaired. But life of sail is significantly shortened.

MAINTENANCE

- 3YM30 engines are great work horses. Two issues to be on the alert - (1) seawater pumps are failing with low engine hours (500-700) on a significant number of these engines due to the redesign back in 2009.

- Rubber vibration engine mounts on starter side are failing due to level of torgue. Factory installed 100s are inadequate I'm told by Yanmar dealers.

- Jabasco electric macreator pumps are failing after 1-2 yrs use.

CREATURE COMFORTS

- No reason to be camping with all the space this vessel offers. Great visability from salon and large patio-like rear deck area.

- King size bed with plenty of natural ventilation. Plus a queen and double birth. Finally two "coffin" berths in the forward bow peaks.

- Electric heads, room for nice size refrig that makes ice cubes, and freezer.

- Davits making hoisting the dinghy nightly a simple chore.

- If loaded with electric heads, DC watermaker, full navigational instruments, wifi, refrig, freezer, fans, etc requires roughly 1,000 watts of solar or solar/wind generation combination. Finding space for this amount of energy production is going to be challenging without placing tremendous weight on the aft deck. For my money, we currently have 420 watts of new solar power with a MPPT and its not enough without running engines, I see a D 400 wind generator as the solution that gets me much closer to the 1000 watts and takes advantage of these tropical breezes we see pretty much 24/7. Solar cannot do that.

DESIGN FEATURES

- The vast majority of design decisions and features we like. Large opening window above galley double sinks aids ventilation, helps removes cooking orders and keeps the chief engaged with those in the patio area.

- Locking hatches, screens and sun shields are a value added benefit.

- Helm station has great view of all "four" corners, and easy sail handling. Make sure you get the optional electric winch package, the Admiral will thank you as will your tired muscles after a 18 hour night passage.

- Twin screws, just cannot beat for moveability. Turns on a "dime." and easy for beginners to learn to handle steering just using throttles instead of wheel. Monohulls look on with amazement and lust for such control - even a bow thruster will not do what this boat can do with strong cross winds going through a tight basque bridge channel.

- No heeling, ladies you know what I'm talking about. 30 kts of wind and this boat just kicks up its heels and asks for more. Nada, O, none, zippo heeling.....My wife loves it! Generally, most passengers don't realize the wind strength without looking at the digital readouts.

- No a fan of BTU vs propane but its not hard to change out.

- If you are going to have AC, you will need a generator. Plenty of space in port lazerette or can add a second water tank. Standard is 79 gallons which is skimpy for most of us. A watermaker resolves this issue and gives us greater flexibility in our travels. Here in the Caribbean we are finding that we are rethinking our desire for AC. So far not having it is not an issue now that we have sun shades on the rear hardtop bimini for those 4-6 westerly sunsets. Note - the boat faces East the vast majority of the time.

- Anchoring system is marginal at best and you will need to "beef it up" if you plan to do some serious cruising. Our ground tackle is our "insurance policy" as we are not interested in spending time filing claims. For our needs and area of sailing, the Manson Supremen 60 with 220 feet 3/8 galvanized chain, Fortress 37 200 ft 20mm rode and a CQR Plow 42 lb 200 ft 20mm rode. Naturally electric windlass is essential and we have the Delphi which was previously factory installed at time of our purchase.

WOULD I DO IT AGAIN - Possible more important would the Admiral?

Absolutely. Let me say that again - YES.

Boats are like homes - personal; everyone has their own tastes and requirements. For our money and needs the Lagoon 39 fills the bill. We love the boat and for us it makes a terrific live-aboard full time cruising home.