39: Lagoon 39

[Wayward Wind]

This is what Lagoon's publicity team says: "After the Lagoon 400 S2 and the Lagoon 52, a third new Lagoon model will be presented at the coming Paris and Düsseldorf boat shows .
The new Lagoon 39 fits between the indefatigable Lagoon 380 and the new S2 version of the Lagoon 400, and is clearly representative of the new Lagoon generation : vertical, bevelled bows, aerial cabintop above the deck, and abaft positioned mast for sailing performance and ease of handling."

Looks like a scaled down version of the "(r)evolutionary" L52. Wonder if the (r) is Lagoon's tilt at FPs Evolutions?

JohnC

[Steve_C]

I like it, cant wait to see more. Where did you find this?

I also have to really wonder where the mast pillar is going in the cabin? looks pretty tight.

[jostalli]

I love it. So, does this statement mean they will continue to build the 380? If they do I would expect a deep discount as most would choose this new 39.

[Wayward Wind]

Originally Posted by jostalli

I love it. So, does this statement mean they will continue to build the 380? If they do I would expect a deep discount as most would choose this new 39.

Good questions. All I know is that the base price is €205,000. I think the 39 replaces the 380 as that is the same pricing as the 380, if I am not wrong. I too am waiting to see what impact the mast will have on the saloon space. Seems to be a trend moving the mast aft. The new Beneteau Oceanis did the same.

[monte]

no the 380 is remaining. base price is between the 380 and 400

[Steve_C]

Originally Posted by monte

no the 380 is remaining. base price is between the 380 and 400

If base is that high it would be competing with the 400, and since they just re-did the 400 as the 400-S2 that doesn't seem to make sense. Clearly the 400 is not going away.

Nothing personal, but I hope your wrong. I guess we will all find out soon.

[monte]

400 base has gone up the most in the range, its around 40k dearer than the 39

[jostalli]

Where are you getting the prices? From a published list or just what you heard? Is the 39 base really euro 205,000? This is the only published list I know of current as of august 2012: http://www.kiriacoulis.com/sales/Lag...management.pdf

[careka]

The German dealer did put out info some time back, on there web pages, and did take it away again.,
thats how we know.
And i dont like that the aft beds is like they are, then you have to climb over each other. i like the beds in 380 better.

[Lagoon4us]

That's UGLY....What's with the mast back mid-cabin??

Must have some balance issues wondering what underbody is like?

[monte]

The decision to locate the mast further to aft directly comes from the designers’ racing
experience and has many advantages:
• Centring the mast in this way creates a large forward triangle (a promise for great
performance), whilst affording all the simplicity of a self-tacking jib.
• The large forward triangle also means it is possible to use a respectably-sized Code 0 for
light wind conditions.
• A “VMG” option allows to “divide” headsail surface areas with a moveable self-tacking
staysail and an overlapping genoa.
• The shorter boom makes the mainsail much easier to manoeuvre.
• The mainsail, which is relatively narrower and higher, benefits from better winds at the
top, thus enhancing performance: extending the sail centre really improves performance,
• The forestay and shrouds are at much wider angles to the mast, thereby substantially
reducing compression: this choice allows to reduce sample weight, thus increasing
stability and speed.
• By re-centring the weight in this way, pitching is considerably reduced.

[Lagoon4us]

The decision to locate the mast further to aft directly comes from the designers’ racing
experience and has many advantages:
• Centring the mast in this way creates a large forward triangle (a promise for great
performance), whilst affording all the simplicity of a self-tacking jib. Why a promise for great performance? How? There is no overlap so no slot effect??
• The large forward triangle also means it is possible to use a respectably-sized Code 0 for
light wind conditions. As on any boat.
• A “VMG” option allows to “divide” headsail surface areas with a moveable self-tacking
staysail and an overlapping genoa. So two headsail's? VMG do you mean as in Vector made good?
• The shorter boom makes the mainsail much easier to manoeuvre.Mainsails are mainsails short or long how is that an advantage other than the aspect ratio?
• The mainsail, which is relatively narrower and higher, benefits from better winds at the
top, thus enhancing performance: extending the sail centre really improves performance, Hence the square head on the 450, aspect ratio is up i agree.
• The forestay and shrouds are at much wider angles to the mast, thereby substantially
reducing compression: this choice allows to reduce sample weight, thus increasing
stability and speed. Only the forestay angle has changed, it has become softer whilst the Shrouds have become lesser angles.
• By re-centring the weight in this way, pitching is considerably reduced. More weight has moved aft with the rig and accomodation so has the aft sections been fattened to carry this weight, Lagoons have a squat under way if the aft sections have been fattened then drag will be up.

I will be very interested to see what has been done, don't like it but that's just my feelings.
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[Lagoon4us]

Very hard to control that head, doesn't it twist off heaps and basically cause more of the sail to unload?
I like the head on a 450 but i thought it may have been sufficient whereas this sail is nearly a rectangle.....

[Lagoon4us]

Essentially they have taken an 'A' Class catamaran headsail and added a huge foretriangle?
The headsail is going to be a handful surely.

[Wayward Wind]

Originally Posted by jostalli

Where are you getting the prices? From a published list or just what you heard? Is the 39 base really euro 205,000? This is the only published list I know of current as of august 2012: http://www.kiriacoulis.com/sales/Lag...management.pdf

If memory serves me correctly, the 400 went from €229500 for 3 cabin 29hp yanmar to €242800 just before it became the S2, and now sits at €259000. The 380 pricing also went upwards.