A question was asked if anyone had any details regarding the 420. I happened to have some and provided it. Simple as that. Whether you, or anyone else, happens to like the boat, wasn't the point.
I haven't seen much evidence of people trying to gloss over the problems the boat has experienced, so far. In fact, if you read the many posts I think you will find some pretty detailed discussions of them. One must keep in mind, though, that the boat that has been in the US shows is only one boat, hull
#2, a factory prototype. It has also been rather extensively modified and updated. When they've encountered a problem, I've been pretty impressed with Lagoon's willingness to arrive at a solution, test it (that is what they use the prototype boats to do) and then incorporate successful ones in the production line. This seems to be one of the advantages of being a large company, in that they have both the resources and the prototype boats (3 of them) to do so. Not many other boatbuilders can afford to do that. Rather, us owners typically get to be the beta testers.
RE: speed of passagemaking. In the Miami - Panama
run (they departed on Friday, 2/23, by the way), they completed the run in 9 days, making 175 to 195 miles per day. While not making the seas boil under the transoms, those are certainly respectable runs, especially for a cruiser.
Going up the west coast -- a notoriously difficult passage, as Gord describes -- they were averaging 3.75 knots, almost all of it motoring into the wind
. They were stuck in port due to bad weather
much of the time, and lost
even more time when some of the crew had to depart for other commitments and they didn't have replacements
. (Unfortunately, the factory folks who set up the delivery
were not experienced in these waters and didn't listen to their west coast dealers who knew the difficulty of what they were planning.)
As to the overall speed of the boat, I still haven't seen any actual data that would lead me to believe that the 420 will be consistently and significantly slower (or faster) than any other cruising cat in the 38 to 45 foot range, in cruising conditions. I would refer you to a little data analysis I did awhile back: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ighlight=speed
There are a number of flaws in there, but if somebody can point me to any better data, I'd love to see it. In the meantime, though, the null hypothesis stands.
If you want to think of all of the above as just a protracted excuse, well, I can't stop you from doing so. But, I'll have to consider that as just another opinion and we've all got plenty of those. Show me some facts and I'll be thankful.
RE: The Dolphin. Nice boat. I like them, but my wife had several points about them that eliminated it, for us. I don't recall
the name of the one in Miami (I went on it), but I don't think it was Wahoo (as that is a memorable name). But, I could be wrong. Even if it was the same boat, we don't know how it got to Oakland. Could have been via Dockwise or freighter.
As far as Efraim "feeling sorry" for anyone who has boat this boat, well, time will tell. Maybe he will be right and the 420 will be a big, fat lemon. If so, it will cost Lagoon/Groupe Beneteau
lots of money
, status, and sales. It will also cost the buyers a lot of value in their investment. That would sadden me, both from a financial point of view, but also what that is likely to mean in terms of improving the market for cleaner, more fuel
efficient boats. A failure by the largest, most well-funded boat manufacturer will likely set back a broader acceptance by a substantial amount of time. Too many people will be scared of making such a shift. Plus, you can then feel good when rubbing our noses in it.
However, one can also look at it from the other possibility, that it works and is reliable and efficient. If so, then us early 420 buyers will be in a good position. We will have a quiet, reliable boat that costs us less to run and maintain. (Until you've experienced it, it is hard to believe the difference when motoring and the loudest noise
you hear is the water
running by the hulls.) Not to mention that we may well have one of the few boats that actually appreciates in value. I promise, though, if this turns out to the case, I won't rub your nose in it.