400: 6,000M Lagoon 400 S2 review

[monte]

Thanks Cadence, I'm just trying to give a fair and honest insight for anyone considering a L400 or similar, not trying to sell them or make out it's better than x,y or z. For us it's a good fit

[monte]

Downunder, yes I didn't mention the anchor. The standard is a delta 20kg. This is also standard on the L380, and although we never dragged or had a problem with it on the L380, We decided to upsize to a kobra 25kg as the L400 is 3T heavier and quite a bit more windage than the L380. So far the kobra has proved to be excellent.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by monte

Downunder, yes I didn't mention the anchor. The standard is a delta 20kg. This is also standard on the L380, and although we never dragged or had a problem with it on the L380, We decided to upsize to a kobra 25kg as the L400 is 3T heavier and quite a bit more windage than the L380. So far the kobra has proved to be excellent.

Why not delta 25 ?

[monte]

Mainly because of this anchor test

Full test is here:
http://www.chainsropesandanchors.co....st%20Nov09.pdf

[downunder]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

Why not delta 25 ?

Delta's which are often standard fitments (cheap) are not favoured by cruisers.
There are many highly considered new generation anchors available on market.
Check out the anchor suppliers at Santuary Cove and Sydney boat shows.
The Australian designed and built Sarca Excel is highly considered as is Ultra, Mantus, Manson, Rocna and Korbra.

Check out some of the anchor threads at this site. Worth spending a week going through them rather than distracting this thread.

cheers

[dirkdig]

Great review, you need to write for Multihulls magazine!
Enjoy the adventure.


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[careka]

Originally Posted by Tobbe

Hi Monte, like many others, excellent review, many thx. We are about ordering a 39 due to the innovative rig, pointed out earlier, but are now turning towards the 400s2 again due to the space and interior and your positive performance data. Would be interesting to know if you considered the 39 and why not? Cheers/ Tobbe from Sweden


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Go for the 400 Tobbe, it sails a lot better then the L39.
Even the L380 sails better then the L39.

and Monte, Nice . and thanks.

[rabbi]

Originally Posted by monte

Tobe I haven't been on a L39 and briefly considered it, but on looking at the specs decided against it. Storage and liveability seems to be similar to the 380. Price and sail area between the 380 and 400, but weighs more than the 400 (if the specs are correct)
It is however lagoons newest design style, along with the 52. As I said I haven't been aboard or sailed a L39 so I can't comment on real life experience, just from what the specifications and layout plans show. CF member 'Django' has spent a bit of time on the 380 and 39 so he might be able to give you his thoughts on it.

I have been on the 39 at a show, sailed the 380 a few times and almost bought a 400 last year.
The 39 feels as roomy as the 400, but seems to have a little less storage. She is definately way bigger than the 380.

For me the new Lagoon look doesn't work at that size, she is just too short. She looks at bit "fat", the hulls are very wide and high.
The 400 is in my eyes way nicer.


As for weight and sail area... it seems the newer models are more intended for motorsailing
380: 7,26t and 77sqm
39: 11,67t and 70sqm
400: 10,34t and 84sqm

To put this in perspective: the old Lagoon 410 is 7,2t and 93sqm and has only half the tankage of the newer models.

Overall I'd choose the 400.

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by monte

Thanks Cadence, I'm just trying to give a fair and honest insight for anyone considering a L400 or similar, not trying to sell them or make out it's better than x,y or z. For us it's a good fit

That is what makes it great. No agenda as so many seem to have?

It seems to be right off the hip.

[Tobbe]

Thx for advice careka and rabbi. Sailed both last month and can only confirm. Slept onboard in addition and here Montes comprehensive review got me thinking. Guess Lagoon need to fabricate one more 400 next year, just holding on until September for new options 😃. Great thread, just hope Monte got his advice for the hurricane season... 👻


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[peterp]

Love the doggy Monte.
Well while we have man's best friend on the subject thought I'd show you the Captain 'Tashi' our Tibetan Terrior.
Regards Peter

[Scottster]

The teak gets a work over.
Finished work pictures to come.


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[monte]

Nice pooch Peter!
Yes there are several schools of thought for the teak.
One is to leave it and let it weather, the other is to coat it and try save the natural colour.
One of the reasons teak is used on boats is it's natural oil and resistance to rot, so it really doesn't need any other coating. On the floor of the L400 cockpit it doesn't see much sun so stays fresh for a long time. I prefer not to coat teak and to leave it weather. The occasional bucket of salt water over it keeps it looking good. Never pressure wash teak as the pressure washer will remove the softer grains. If you really want to coat it, use a degradable type finish, such as teak oil, not a hard shiny type as it will flake and be a nightmare to refinish and probably be pretty slippery as well.
Btw the teak toe rails are actually plastic and hard to pick from the real thing.

[Scottster]

Done, good old sand paper and teak oil.


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[Scottster]

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