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Old 14-08-2014, 07:03   #31
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How about the card readers that are being used in ATMs to steal your account #, and empty your account(s)? It happens everyday
Never happened to me, and never to anyone I know. I do know it happens though. When it does happen the bank will reverse the transactions and absorb the loss (and probably claim against their insurance) so from the point of view of the individual user it's a nuisance, but not even as big an issue as petty theft.
Anyway, all ATMs here are equiped with devices that allow you to verify yourself that the card reader hasn't been tampered with. And chip cards are a lot harder to skim then magnetic cards...
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Good point about just paying with Paypal without eBay. Since this was several years ago I can't remember now why we didn't do that. Could be I just wasn't aware of the option at that time.
Gotta be careful with PayPal too.

I currently have a nice little AB RIB with a console for sale on Craigslist and have received two full price offers, plus $150 to take it off the market immediately, from two different people (at least different emails). They both said they were unable to look at boat in person but were satisfied with it's condition based on my ad and the pix I'd posted and they would arrange for a shipper to come pick it up. All they needed was my name and the email address that my Paypal account was under. It seemed to have little risk because I wasn't being asked to send any money back or to arrange shipping, etc, but it just seemed too good to be true so I googled the phone number that the text came from and found that others had posted that he is an internet scammer. Apparently, according to others who posted about him, this type scam involves him having the ability to access someone else's PayPal account, so you do actually get money transferred into your PayPal account, his shipper picks up your item, and a week or so later, the actual owner of the PayPal account the funds came out of notices the debit that he didn't authorize and you have to refund the money to him from your PayPal account. At least that's what others who had received full price offers from his PayPal account had to say on the website I found discussing his phone number. One other giveaway that something was amiss was that in his first text to me he said he was away representing his company on business, but a couple days later when I said I'd prefer cash to using PayPal, he changed his story to being a US Navy marine engineer at sea for an extended period of time. So, I just said I would only accept a buyer who showed up in person and with cash, and that's the last I heard from him. Wish he'd been for real though, because I still haven't sold my RIB....
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From craigslist-


Recognizing scams

Most scams involve one or more of the following:

-Inquiry from someone far away, often in another country.
-Western Union, Money Gram, cashier's check, money order, shipping, escrow service, or a "guarantee."
-Inability or refusal to meet face-to-face— before consumating transaction.

craigslist | about > scams
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Old 14-08-2014, 09:08   #34
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But in over 50 years of using personal checking I have never had it used
inappropriately, or illegally. I did have someone steal some blank checks
from the back portion my checkbook, and write some checks on my
account. The bank reimbursed my funds the same day I reported the
discrepancy, including the overdrawn fees that had came about. The police
snagged him a few weeks later, and he went to jail. Forgery was one of several charges.
We had a customer do the same thing (steal checks out the back of the book) about 20 yrs. ago and it wasn't caught for a couple days until a business check bounced. The thing that saved us was that they didn't know what name to sign on the checks, so they were signing all kinds of names. The bank refunded the business account because the name didn't match the one on record. They pulled videos of the people cashing the checks at several area banks and it appeared to be a gang of people doing it (at least 20 different people on video).
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Speaking of checks, a friend of mine hired his brother in law to work for him not because he needed him but as a favor to his father in law who simply could not use someone that dense in his business as a R. E. developer. Fast forward nearly 3 yrs later, my buddy makes a deposit at the bank and looks at the deposit slip and discovers that the account is down over $600,000! He calls the accountant and she tells him that the BIL has been writing a check for $1,000/day to himself for 3 yrs! When he asks her why she never said anything, she says he started doing it from the first day he started and told her it was how he got paid, $1,000/day under the table plus his taxable salary that was reported to the IRS.

So now he's furious at his BIL AND his accountant who didn't seem to think anything was wrong with draining the the co.'s cash reserves. He drags his BIL over to his FIL's house and tells him he's fired. He tells the FIL he has 2 choices. Pay back every penny of it, or he's sending his idiot son to jail for embezzling. The FIL acts totally nonplussed and writes him a check on the spot for the exact amount. I know it was over $600K, but less than $650K. No apology from either of them, no remorse, nothing!

He's the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet! Once I was between jobs and he found out, so he called me and asked me if I wanted to go do some work in Vegas with him. I agreed, so he asks me how much for 5 hrs work. I tell him $150, he increases it to $250 and he offers to pay all expenses.

We go up there with 2 other guys and he books 4 very nice suites at the Rio. I figure he likes the buffet there, but actually he takes us out to dinner at N9ne steakhouse over at the Palms. Between about 4 rounds of drinks before dinner and another 3 rounds during dinner and he's insisting on appetizers and steaks for all, dinner was just over $1,000. He pays for it all and we get some sleep.

Long story short, we spent 13 hrs in the blazing 110* heat and finally finished, so he put us up at suites at Mandalay Bay. Next morning, he pays me $1300 for the 13 hrs of work, even though I didn't ask for any more money! He called me up a couple of other times just for a quick day job, same deal, more than generous!

Talk about cheap...

I've got a 10" Android table for sale on another forum, looks new, priced @ $125 for a quick sale. Next day, I dropped it to $100. A friend I've known for about 10 yrs now PM'd me and said he didn't want to lowball me and he realized I'd already dropped the price, buuuuuuuuuut...

would I take $80 for it? He's broke and 3 kids and all that, it was for his middle son. I had a sneaking suspicion he really was lowballing me, so I replied, "I'll do better than that, you can make payments! Swing by and pick it up tonight for $60 down, then pay me the $40 balance next month after you save $20 per paycheck. Easy!"

A few hrs later, he PMs me back and says, "Sorry for the hassle, but my wife has changed her mind and decided she wants a laptop instead. Thanks anyways!" That's what I figured, like I said, I've known the guy for 10 yrs.

Watch out for this ripoff!!

I was selling a new cell phone battery on Amazon and a buyer paid for it. I print a shipping label and put it in an envelope. I ship it first thing next morning and Amazon fires off an email to the buyer that the item has been shipped. About an hour later, she sends me an email that she bought it by mistake and she wants to cancel the purchase. I think about it for a few minutes, then it hits me. She's going to keep my new battery and return her old battery and get a refund out of the entire deal!

So I email her back, "Sure, no problem! Just keep it sealed in the original envelope, unopened, and mail it back. Once it arrives, I'll refund your money." She never replied, never sent it back. LOL
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For the gal and her kids out on a day sail...

If you want the boat a sea trial and survey can be arranged after we sign the purchase agreement and you give me 10% down. If the boat is not as advertised etc. then you can back out and you get your money back.

If the boat is as advertised or the survey turns up something I didn't know about but am willing to correct then you get to buy my boat or forfeit the deposit.
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...If you want the boat a sea trial and survey can be arranged after we sign the purchase agreement and you give me 10% down. If the boat is not as advertised etc. then you can back out and you get your money back.

If the boat is as advertised or the survey turns up something I didn't know about but am willing to correct then you get to buy my boat or forfeit the deposit.
Negative.

A buyer can reject the boat if the sea trial proves unsatisfactory to him (for any reason), and demand that his deposit be refunded. It has nothing to do with the advertising.
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For those worried about counterfeit bills, check out Counterfeit Detector Machines - Counterfeit Money Detectors from AccuBANKER

The D450 should cover you for $99 and if you're super paranoid, the D500 for $100 more will even catch the North Korean Super dollars.
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A buyer can reject the boat if the sea trial proves unsatisfactory to him (for any reason), and demand that his deposit be refunded. It has nothing to do with the advertising.
Yep. That's the way that every boat purchase contract that I have ever signed was worded. And I would never even consider signing a contract that was not worded that way.
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Maybe the US should just stop using cheques :-)



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I was waiting for the listing, bought it a paid with Paypal to use their buyer protection. Costs a small eBay fee but worth it for the peace of mind.
I have used paypal a fair amount this year and haven't seen a fee.

FWIW I have my credit card linked to my account so that I have two avenues of dispute.

I had an issue with a $300 charge showing up on my CC with a name I didn't recognize as a paypal purchase. Paypal investigated and removed the charge. I then changed my pp password.
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I bought my boat off Craigslist and am a firm believer in being willing to take a prospective buyer for a sail. I like sailing anyway. If they have the cash it is the best way to makes sale in my my mind.

Good luck on selling your boat.
I sold a truck through Craigslist, and got the same scams. I just said bring cash, and you can have the truck.

When I bought my Ericson, I met the seller in the local bar ( Dogwatch in Antigua), they wined and dined us on the boat, but wouldn't take us sailing until they had cash in hand (in case something broke while we went sailing).

That was a good idea, since the first thing I did after I bought the boat was break the wind generator blades with the boat hook

It turned out to be a good boat any ways , got me across the Caribbean in style.
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As a seller, or buyer ?
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I have used paypal a fair amount this year and haven't seen a fee. I really haven't used paypal very much, and only once in the past two years or so, and that was as a buyer.
To be honest I can't recall if I paid a paypal fee as a buyer. I do not believe I did though. I do know that I have always paid a paypal fee as a seller on ebay. But then again this info is somewhat dated. Maybe it's just a ebay + paypal thing ? The combined fees of paypal & ebay ran me off to Craigs list sometime back.


FWIW I have my credit card linked to my account so that I have two avenues of dispute.

I had an issue with a $300 charge showing up on my CC with a name I didn't recognize as a paypal purchase. Paypal investigated and removed the charge. I then changed my pp password.
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