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Old 26-11-2010, 20:12   #1
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A Sailboat You Dont Want to Read About . . .

I have completed the first sea trials of my new mast sails and rig...you don't want to know about my boat if you already own one...

After reading this, you will always question why your boat is the way it is....

You don't want to know about my sailboat if:


You enjoy running around changing lines and adjusting sails all the time. My boat is self-tacking. Just spin the wheel and you tacked. Don't touch the lines, there are no jib sheets, no travelers. It is just one self tacking forward sail.


You own a boat that would sink if hulled in too many places. My boat can't be sunk since it is an epoxy sandwich with balsa wood and PVC foam core between. Overall it is lighter then water. From now on you will refer to your own boat as a sinker.


You enjoy the zip and zing of traveler cars going up the mast and playing pickup the ball bearings when the cars break. With no sail behind the mast there is no track, no cars, and nothing to jamb when you need to pull the sail down in a hurry. How boring.


You enjoy the wind through your hair as you reef the sail each time there is a squall. On my boat you just pull the spilling line and barely have a chance to get wet.


Your best friend works at the sail loft and you enjoy regular visits to repair your sails. Without the high maintenance associated with broken battens ripped batten pockets you won't get to see your friend so much.


You enjoy the rock and roll of the sea. My boat's 40 foot beam provides a level ride like a super yacht. With less rock and roll you won't be able to show your friends your bruises to prove you went sailing.


You enjoy the game, when will my mast fall down? Rigging on my boat is almost entirely redundant. I used high-tech Dyneema lines and almost zero use of metal parts.


You like staying close to shore. The huge range of my boat would tempt you to go on long trips. The Atlantic will seem like a small pond and a 700 nautical mile leg an all too quick sail.


You enjoy old technology and like to ignore science and research. You are not interested in wind tunnel testing that has demonstrated how Bermuda rigs are not efficient and that the optimum place to put a mast is in the back of the boat.


You like looking up at your mast that isn't tapered and has a large amount of weight aloft and think to yourself...yeah but it looks substantial. On my boat the mast tapers to the top cutting down on weight and increasing seaworthiness.

You like having a metal mast and enjoy looking for those hairline cracks indicating you have stress cracking. My mast is good old wood. Well kind of. It is a very flexible wood composite made up of planks glued up with epoxy, wrapped in fiberglass, and then epoxy painted. It can bend and absorb high wind gusts just like a tree without failure.


Now, if on the other hand:

You want a boat with the lastest and greatest technology blended into an efficient safe rig, consider buying mine. Now that I have essentially proven that the wind tunnel testing was correct, I am ready to take on a new project.


In brief you are getting a:

West System epoxy composite boat designed by Jay Kantola and built in California by professional boat builder. It took 8 years to build, over $1mm, and was launched in 2000. 65 feet long by 40 feet wide. 3 cabins (2 king and 1 double), plus 2 single bunks and crew quarters in ama. Common area also converts to another double bunk.

New for 2010
All new mast, rigging, and sails
New paint from top to bottom inside and out.
New oven, new cabinets, new depth sounder.
It even has a new piano.


Price $440,000 USD.


I apologize if it takes a while to get back to you. I'm headed out sailing my new rig to Brunei and Palau.


If you want to go for a sail, I will be doing weekly trips between Palau and Yap. These are two incredible diving places and both offer unique cultural South Pacific adventures.


Philip Maise

Again I'm headed off to Brunei and Palau and don't check this e-mail frequently.


To read more about theory and research into aft-mast mounted boats and their efficiency check out this thread. However, again if you own a boat with a center mast with split rig, you might get more disillusioned about your own boat.

I have posted more results of my sea trials there as well as more pictures.

Aftmast rigs??? - Boat Design Forums



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Old 27-11-2010, 09:41   #2
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Man thats a nice Tri... but Man thats a lotta string up in the air...
Fink I'll stick to my Wharram Tiki's when I go Multi again... just as low tech... possibly much lower...lol
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What kind of rig has this guy got??? Looking at the photos, it's a spider web of lines and wires. Looks like there is enough windage with all those strings to make the boat dangerous in heavy weather.
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Old 27-11-2010, 11:06   #4
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Fun post.

Actually, it reminds me of Roy Chandler's Charles Chiodi, described in A 30', $6,000 Cruising Catamaran.
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Lot of rig compression ,I'd guess. Lose one shroud, game over.
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Old 27-11-2010, 11:39   #6
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Thank you for comments.

Obviously I am striking some raw nerves. I like you have suffered the pains of broken battens, ripped pockets, difficulty reefing in storm conditions, and mast cars stuck way up on the mast.

When I brought my boat to Thailand for renovations, the rigger and sail shop wanted me to put on a big full batten main sail, new mast, and new stainless steel rigging costing tens of thousands of dollars. Just the Harken 3 mast cars for my boat was over $5,000 USD.

I worked hard researching options and then went out on a limb with the final design. I admit I am a bit cheeky about my project as I have had to defend it so long before the sea trials came in. For those of you interested in sailing theory:

I think most of you already know to think of a sail as an airplane wing turned vertically. It doesn't have to be that way. A sail can also be like an airplane wing horizontal too. The Polynesians have used sails like this for centuries. Their common name is crab claw sail, and I have what I believe to be the worlds largest crab claw sails aboard my big trimaran. I have two different sizes to fly depending on conditions.

Here is why a horizontal sail is better then a vertical sail.

Vertical sails on a Bermuda rig drive a boat both forward and downward. You only need to watch a gust of wind push on the boat and see the hull of a cat or trimaran bury itself into the sea. A crab claw sail on the other hand drives the boat forward and upwards. Higher winds picks the boat upward reducing drag and encouraging the boat to plane.

The tone of my ad is intended to prompt one person like myself to question the established thinking. That person will have to do research like I did to demonstrate to himself, or herself, that what I am offering is something they not only want, but different enough that they see why they don't want a Bermuda rig.

I know 80 percent of you are stuck with Bermuda rigs on your boats and I want to caution you about trying to copy what I have built. If you want a rig like mine, you either have to start the structural supports for the mast in the back at the design stage for a new boat, or luck into a trimaran that already has a rear box wall.

My mast wasn't just casually moved to the back of the boat. It is sitting on a structural wall that extends outwards to the two ama. Mine isn't the first trimaran to experiment with a mast in the back and the thing I learned from others is that supporting the mast in the back is key. The reason one person saw so many lines in the back of the boat is they are redundant. Overall wind load on the mast is lower then other masts and rigging because the mast is tapered.

Well set to sail tomorrow morning for Brunei. Will check in from Brunei in about a week.

May you all in the meantime have strong winds.


p.s. Yes the boat really does go to wind and tacks just by turning the wheel.
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That's really upbeat. Good on you for going into the lesser known. Hopefully alll works out, and she sells........i2f
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Old 27-11-2010, 13:42   #8
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Got any pics of the boat sailing? I for one, would like to see the sails.
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Old 27-11-2010, 14:01   #9
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Got any pics of the boat sailing? I for one, would like to see the sails.
Ditto.
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Old 27-11-2010, 19:07   #10
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I'd rather maintain all my running rigging and one set of shrouds and stays, rather than try to keep up with that spiderweb....P.T. Barnum's tent riggers would have fits with it...besides...most folks sail because the LIKE messing with that stuff.
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I like the idea, but parking and haulout's got to be a biotch.
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Then delete my second post. I typed nothing derogatory at all. I only advised for the poster to use a different tactic.....PATHETIC........i2f
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Since when is "" derogatory?
I was simply displaying interest in seeing pics of the sails too.
I will second the pathetic part also...
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It's been awhile since I've heard someone toot their own horn so well or for so long

Ah trying to sell something, say no more!
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