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Old 04-10-2024, 01:18   #1
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Samana 59 hull deck joint separation

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I'm on a 2023 samana 59. We have our Galley down. Whilst being lifted onto a transport ship, the hull deck separated from the port midships cleat, aft past the stays, to a point about halfway through the aft cabin. This damaged interior furniture in the same area. Cracked a stringer below the stays.

On inspecting the hull/deck join from the interior, we discovered that in all areas we could access, including the same area on the starboard side, the hull/deck join had been glued and then taped over with fibreglass. All the boat apart from exactly our area of damage.

We reported this to Fountaine Pajot. They claimed this is as designed. I had a friend who has a galley up version check; his joint was taped in this area. We reported this to Fountaine Pajot and they informed us that only galley down boats have this non-taped design in the exact area of damage which extends beyond the galley...plus the boats are type rated to the same CE Cert number...

Putting the story out for advice (beyond "get a lawyer") and comments. Here's some pictures.

Exterior Damage

Port Cleat at Joint

Area above galley window

Aft Cabin Area, note fibreglass restarting

Stbd cleat, for comparison
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Old 04-10-2024, 12:41   #2
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Re: Samana 59 hull deck joint separation

FP will fight back claiming the boat was not designed to be lifted like that.


It was not, actually. I have seen their factory and they moved unfinished hulls (light and empty) with a giant fork lift.


It will be a long haul with the lawyers, and its result uncertain.


Why not grab some glass and epoxy and fix it yourself ? (Or have it done in a good boatyard - for insurance reasons).?


Fixing this well by your selves / boatyard could be the less expensive, less stresfull, and faster, way.


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FP will fight back claiming the boat was not designed to be lifted like that.


It was not, actually. I have seen their factory and they moved unfinished hulls (light and empty) with a giant fork lift.


It will be a long haul with the lawyers, and its result uncertain.


Why not grab some glass and epoxy and fix it yourself ? (Or have it done in a good boatyard - for insurance reasons).?


Fixing this well by your selves / boatyard could be the less expensive, less stresfull, and faster, way.


Just saying.



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FP provide a lifting plan for lifting with slings. The boat was lifted as per this plan. What you are saying about “only being lifted with a forklift” is factually untrue.

As for why we’re not just fixing it ourselves…

It’s a 5 million dollar brand new boat that now needs over a million spent in repairs. The superstructure is warped, and all the interior furniture must be replaced in the port hull and salon.

These repairs would not be necessary if FP had built a suitable boat.

Why would anyone incur such a cost for someone else’s clear mistake?
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Re: Samana 59 hull deck joint separation

Who lifted the boat? Do you have any photos or videos of the boat being lifted?
However, if they lifted it strictly according to FP's prescription, it should not have broken, as you say.
You told us not to say get a lawyer so I won't say it.

btw, it is odd that the stbd cleat is glassed over and the port is not.
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These repairs would not be necessary if FP had built a suitable boat.
I only needed to view the first picture to know that your sentence I quoted is absolute truth.
Dare I say that in general the French pleasure boat industry, (both mono and cat,) has always put sophistication of a cosmopolitan interior ahead of brute strength of construction.
Weakness abounds in all their boats.
You might also note that those turnbuckles they're using are of a miserable 3rd rate design that traps water inside and precludes inspection.
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Old 04-10-2024, 23:05   #6
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Sounds to me like an insurance issue. Over a million in repairs needed. Something went wrong in the lift. Let the insurers fight with the lifting company and the manufacturer. This is what insurance is for.

You do have insurance, don’t you?
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Who lifted the boat? Do you have any photos or videos of the boat being lifted?
However, if they lifted it strictly according to FP's prescription, it should not have broken, as you say.
You told us not to say get a lawyer so I won't say it.

btw, it is odd that the stbd cleat is glassed over and the port is not.
It was P&M. They did a full lift report and reported the damage. We can see the slings in the correct position in numerous photos.

It is the entire area of damage that has not been glassed over, not just the cleat.

I suspect it is supposed to be glassed over and they forgot/decided to chance not doing it. This has produced a weakened joint that broke under normal loads associated with lifting.
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Re: Samana 59 hull deck joint separation

I'm sorry this happened to you. No idea why they wouldn't do it, so likely an oversight. I can't imagine a single boat they build doesn't get put in a sling at some point.
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