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Old 04-10-2018, 14:46   #1
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Replacing Genoa Cars & Track

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We may need to replace the tracks for our genoa cars on our 2006 Fountaine Pajot Eleuthera 60. Does anyone know if those tracks would be through bolted or if they are screwed into the fiberglass?

The headliners inside the saloon seem pretty "permanent", so if those tracks are actually bolted through the roof, it's going to be a big project.

Any thoughts would be GREATLY appreciated.
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I can't answer your questions but I am curious... what happened to the track that you need to replace them?
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I can't answer your questions but I am curious... what happened to the track that you need to replace them?
I'm not 100% sure if I want to replace them, but Harken discontinued the genoa car that we have, we need a new one... I've exchanged a number of emails with Harken (it's a VERY slow process to get a replacement recommendation from them).

It's a 40 mm track. The Harken C7754 may fit, but Harken also hasn't recommended it. They recommended going to a 32 mm track, but the car they recommended has 1/2 of the working load than what our current car has.
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I have to believe it's through bolted about every 6". I have the predecessor of your boat and it is.
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Save yourself a @&$!ton of pain and suffering and buy whatever jib cars will fit. Pulling, replacing, and bedding car tracks is really not something you want to do unless they are leaking or damaged beyond serviceability.

You’re better off just replacing with new 40mm cars of a different design.

https://www.harken.com/productdetail...4676&taxid=496
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Save yourself a @&$!ton of pain and suffering and buy whatever jib cars will fit. Pulling, replacing, and bedding car tracks is really not something you want to do unless they are leaking or damaged beyond serviceability.

You’re better off just replacing with new 40mm cars of a different design.

https://www.harken.com/productdetail...4676&taxid=496
I wish this car would fit, but according to Harken it isn't an option. I've followed-up with them, but they are REALLY slow to reply. I'd MUCH rather not replace the track, but I also want to make sure we have a high quality solution with longevity.

I wasn't able to find the technical drawings for C4219, otherwise I'd be able to see if it could be a one-to-one replacement.
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I have to believe it's through bolted about every 6". I have the predecessor of your boat and it is.
Ugh, that's what I suspected. What a project
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Bacon sails may have some second hand cars that fit https://baconsails.com/
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Talk to a rigger. Harken website shows several cars for 40mm tracks. Can't believe one of those won't work. No way I would go to the trouble of changing the track and go down in size.
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I'm sure you can use another car from a different manufacturer as long as it has similar specs and fits the track, the headliners throughout the boat are velcroed on, the ones on the salon are very hard but do un velcro
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Like others stated. Removing the tracks would be a last resort thing to do if it were up to me. I would rather consider buying standards (oversize) cars and have them modified / rebuild to your specs by a machine shop than removing the tracks.
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Talk to a rigger. Harken website shows several cars for 40mm tracks. Can't believe one of those won't work. No way I would go to the trouble of changing the track and go down in size.
I was surprised when Harken recommended going to the 32 mm track. When I checked the specs on the car they recommended, it didn't meet the working load requirements. Ah.... thought I'd ask Harken and get a proper answer

I'm waiting to hear back from them, but they are SO SLOW to reply.

I'd much rather not get a used part from somewhere and replace it with something new (that hopefully lasts longer than a used part).

The Harken C7754 would fit, but unsure of price and availability (waiting on a reply). The C4219 may also be an option, but Harken doesn't share the technical drawings for it, so I don't know if it would fit.



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I'm sure you can use another car from a different manufacturer as long as it has similar specs and fits the track, the headliners throughout the boat are velcroed on, the ones on the salon are very hard but do un velcro
Thanks for the velcro tip. I didn't want to start applying much force... in fear of breaking stuff. Now I know... the headliners can be removed if need be.

I'm not sure why, but for some reason I've got Harken stuck in my head as the brand to go with. Maybe I'm way off... sd
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Like others stated. Removing the tracks would be a last resort thing to do if it were up to me. I would rather consider buying standards (oversize) cars and have them modified / rebuild to your specs by a machine shop than removing the tracks.
That's a pretty good idea!
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Hi all,



We may need to replace the tracks for our genoa cars on our 2006 Fountaine Pajot Eleuthera 60. Does anyone know if those tracks would be through bolted or if they are screwed into the fiberglass?



The headliners inside the saloon seem pretty "permanent", so if those tracks are actually bolted through the roof, it's going to be a big project.



Any thoughts would be GREATLY appreciated.


I have gone thru the same issue. The Track design and specs of most of the manufacturers have undergone changes overtime. There are some second less known brands that may offer an alternative.
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My question is why are you checking the cars
There are few parts to a car. Is it because the sheave is chipped or the runners worn or missing . With modern 3D manufacturing equipment these can quite inexpensively be made. Consider this before pulling up your track which will be connected thru hull. Removing lining etc
I have had parts made from stainless steel, alloys and high tec plastics cut from a solid block using computer controlled water cutting equipment. Cost benefit analysis yes they are not cheep so if you need 2 get 4 made but compared to replacing the whole track and new cars it's a bargain
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