Mahe 36: Batteries And 12vdc Systems

[MKB53]

Hi Mark

Sorry about the delay but we are cruising and between bad phone reception and other activities I have not been on the forum. I am now holed up waiting for a big southerly wind system to pass which is a good time to catch up.

As you noted it is a LifeTech 180Ah battery - WPS series which are the high discharge capacity ones.

I bought it from the Australian importer
LITHIUM BATTERIES AUSTRALIA Lithium Batteries Australia - Home

I paid A$2998 which included a $45 Low voltage cut off board. I have since bypassed this as it trips at 75A current flow and we need higher for charging & potentially for starting. Exclusive of Tax & freight.
I will attach a data sheet on the size and weight.
The importer is happy to answer questions.

I am afraid I don't have specific data for you but in general our charging seems a lot more effective - quicker. It took hours to get the old lead calcium up to full charge.

I need to tailor the alternator charging as the voltage is too low and it goes into the absorbtion phase too early for LifePo4. I have a better solar reg and a new wind generator which are configured for the correct voltages and they top it up nicely if the conditions are good. I have been at anchor for 2 days now in 15-20Kts of wind and intermittent sun and I have not had to run the motors at all.

By the way you explanation on the battery change over procedure was great. I should have taken more time with mine. I cut the panel a bit wider than you indicate to get the long LifePo4 battery in but if you had 2x90 that would not be necessary.

You would have to think that these will get cheaper.

Regards
Martin

[MKB53]

I am having trouble uploading the PDF so here is a copy.
Also the web link above will work but the url is www.lithbattoz.com.au

Image of battery options and size/weights are in the attached Word file.

[vayacondios]

Our Battery Bank Modification (Photo Below)

We changed from standard 315 amp hours to 650 amp hours.(AGM Batteries)

Shut off charging power and 12 V power
Unhooked connection on top of batteries only
Took off the front lip to the battery box case.
Slid the batteries out from the left side
Undid bolts from bottom that attached the battery case to the shelf
Cut the port side of the battery case off
Pushed the the case over to the right
Used the cut portion of the case as a bottom for new area on the left.
Secured the modified battery case to the shelf from underneath.
Slid in 5 AGM batteries (130 AH each).
Put in a piece of treated timber (2x4) about12 inches long behind the two batteries on the port side as they do not have the case behind them.
Reconnected the batteries.
Install Lip on Front (yet to do)
Install some Shelf Strengthing (yet to do)

We paid $290 AU per battery here in Cairns at Casey's Battery Centre
The switches are still easily accessable.

The batteries were 30 KG each so by adding two more batteries (was 3 now 5) we have increased the weight on the port side, but in looking at the water line, there is no change. Boat is still even on the waterline.

Now we should be able to collect all the power from out two solar panels (476 Watts).

Photos 1 Before, 2 After from different angles.
Cheers,
Rozzie

[Cotemar]

Rozzie,

Your Battery box upgrade is GREAT.
Looks like this will be my next upgrade.
Have been wanting to do this for a while, but did not have a good solution as you have done.
Nice Job. Keep them comming.

Mark

[vayacondios]

Here is two pics of complete mod from post 93.
Added support brackets, and a removable lip on the front of the battery case.

Rozzie

[careka]

Here is some very good and useful battery charging info , HOW to do it.

Offshore Sailboat Battery Test, 18 Month Report

[1rkghost]

Any one know where fuse box is for nav desk light and 12 volt outlet

[Scott730]

Under the port berth in white box, auto fuses are used so buy an assortment of them. Fuse ID in one of the F-P books you received with the boat.

[Cotemar]

1rkghost,

As Scott730 said. Also this link may help.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...tml#post525209

[Cotemar]

Mahe’s

If you have ever wanted to make hot water (Stb. Engine does that) and charge your house batteries (Port Engine does that) without running both engines then just do this.

1) In your Port engine room put your "Emergency Switch" on far right into key slot and turn clockwise to the 7 o’clock position.

2) Start your Stb. engine. You are now making hot water (need to run about 20 minutes)and charging the house batteries

3) When completed “Stop” your Stb. engine “Off”

4) In your Port engine room put your "Emergency Switch" back to the 3 o’clock position and or remove the key

[Scott730]

I have done this many times, the only problem is to remember to remove the emergency switch when done or you will be using the starboard battery along with the house bank (all you've done is parallel the banks when you use the emergency switch). Finding both batteries dead when trying to start the engines is not a good thing, that is why I bring along a small jumper battery just in case. My wife like to tie a colorful ribbon on the helm to remind us to turn the switch off when we stop the starboard engine

[vayacondios]

Our starboard engine charges the house batteries without having to do anything. I think FP changed the set up at some point. Ours 2010.


We did have the switch over at one point and forgot to change it back, and while plugged into shore power with no regulator on the starting battery it cooked that battery. It was so hot it was dangerous. Smelled like rotton eggs. So we learned a good lesson.

[Oliver66]

Originally Posted by vayacondios

Our starboard engine charges the house batteries without having to do anything. I think FP changed the set up at some point. Ours 2010.

Hello,
like vayacondios,

on our 2011 Lipari we can charge house batteries without moving anything with SB engine.
I can see it on our VICTRON batteries manager that control the 330A port batteries.

so when making hot water we also charge batteries...that is nice !

[Clipperton]

Hello guys,
I tried this morning and it seems as well that my starboard engine does charge all my batteries.
Simple check was that when I start the starboard, voltmeter goes up from 12 to about 13.
I would need to see if it goes up to 14 like when port engine is on.
I have a 2011 mahe which could maybe have received the same upgrade than the lipari ?

[Edmund]

How to save a few kg's:

I always thought the 105 Ah starter battery in SB engine room was unnecessary large for such a small engine. 105 Ah is even bigger than what I have on my 40 year old 6 sylinder 5,7 liter Unimog diesel....

So I mounted an extra 45 Ah starter battery, and an automatic one-way charging relais between them. In at 13,3V, out at 12,8 Volts.
Now the original 105 AH is included in the main battery bank (through the emergency switch), and all 4 105 AH betteries will be charged also from SB engine as soon as the small starter battery get over 13,3V. When the voltage get below 12,8V, the relais disconnect, and the starterbattery is again isolated.

45Ah are more than enough to start the SB engine. Last winter I started it up in -4 deg. C, without problems.

Cheers,
Edmund