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Old 24-01-2025, 08:12   #1
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Ending NOAA?

Incredible. I can't believe this would happen. If it does we are all in trouble. (This is not a political statement! It is a fact.)
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https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...025-rcna177722

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In a statement, the Heritage Foundation said: “Project 2025 does not call for the elimination of NOAA or the NWS. The claim is false and ridiculous.”

“There’s a distinction between privatization and commercialization,” the statement added. “Using commercial products to provide a better result for taxpayers at a lower cost is nothing new.”
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I am also concerned about NOAA charts, not to mention those impacted by storms, and in need of immediate relief. It appears to me that this would be shortsighted, considering aids to navigation, added wreckage due poor navigation, and the speed of recovery of people and the economy after a storm.
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I suspect the primary impacts would be to those states that see hurricanes, tornadoes, and flooding, with public resources likely either sold off or not rebuilt. Charts could easily become for-pay, as is common in most other countries. Weather is more interesting: I wonder how many commercial weather services are not actually relying on NOAA data for much of their information.

What we as the public see as the "face" of these agencies can also be very different from a lot of the underlying work that happens in the background, and removal or replacement of that is likely to have significant unforeseen consequences. Think "I unplugged the annoying beeping machines in the hospital rooms so the patients wouldn't be disturbed by them" type of thing.

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In a statement, the Heritage Foundation said: “Project 2025 does not call for the elimination of NOAA or the NWS. The claim is false and ridiculous.”

“There’s a distinction between privatization and commercialization,” the statement added. “Using commercial products to provide a better result for taxpayers at a lower cost is nothing new.”
I would trust this statement about as far as I'd trust a statement from Putin, that is, not at all: it may be true, or it may be false, and more importantly the effort in attempting to determine which is which is not worth the effort. That second statement is in essence a non-statement; and does not preclude commercial products providing a worse result at a higher cost.
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This is at the crux of our commerce and safety, a vital source of information for everyone. These changes are not for the best. Farmers, crops, Coastal Security, Coast Guard, Navy, etc.
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In a statement, the Heritage Foundation said: “Project 2025 does not call for the elimination of NOAA or the NWS. The claim is false and ridiculous.”

“There’s a distinction between privatization and commercialization,” the statement added. “Using commercial products to provide a better result for taxpayers at a lower cost is nothing new.”
I'm certainly using other weather apps other than NOAA these days. The local forecasts coming out of NOAA are often more hedges than reliable forecasts. If the computers in the forecast office don't agree the new crop of meteorologists can't seem to do a definitive analysis in the forecast discussions. Add to that the Perfect Paul voice on the NOAA VHF channel disguises the forecaster who is actually making the forecast. We use hear a real human voice on the VHF channels and one could recognize the old timer's voice with years of experience was the one making the forecast. I'm hoping AI will make for more accurate forecasts than what is coming out of NOAA these days.
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NOAA is more than just weather forecasting.
https://www.noaa.gov/our-mission-values-and-vision
https://www.noaa.gov/about-our-agency
https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/noaa--115470980
It's unrealistic to think privatizing it, or relying entirely on commercial products, will result in less costly, more useful scientific data.
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How can a for-profit organization be cheaper than a government run one?
Something very wrong if that is true.
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Something very wrong if that is true.
They can use the taxes that pay for it on something better..
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How can a for-profit organization be cheaper than a government run one?
Something very wrong if that is true.
The claim is that it can be more efficient, and thus charge less, because it would be incentivized to reduce costs.

The counter claim is that "charging less" is not the purpose of a business, rather it is to generate profits by charging "what the market will bear".

Reduced prices is a side effect of a free market when there is realistic competition, and thus either reducing prices or increasing value offered will increase market share. Without that being the case, there is no incentive to reduce prices, only to raise them.
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[QUOTE=NorthCoastJoe;3967488]How can a for-profit organization be cheaper than a government run one?

A great many private businesses function at a lower cost than public entities.
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I'm certainly using other weather apps other than NOAA these days. .........
Where do you think the other weather apps are getting their data?
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If they stop forecasting hurricanes then there won't be anymore. /s

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That might be the case but it's the end user cost that is my concern. Past experience tells me that price is set by supply and demand and capacity to pay. Capitalism is not about fairness; it's all about profit.
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How can a for-profit organization be cheaper than a government run one?

A great many private businesses function at a lower cost than public entities.
And it shows in the lower quality of their services with higher price to customers. Like how much a single bandage costs to US based hospital and how much they charge of it
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