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Old 24-05-2020, 11:03   #1
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AusENC charts

Have purchased AusENC costal pack for Australia, have cell permit, fingerprint file and install permit with files unzipped to advised directory. Have S63 and oeSENC plug in. When trying to load charts it is requesting xml file which mine are not. What am I doing wrong here. This issue is on windows 10 pc. Been reading the forum looking.
Also having similar issue with Android looking for url address for charts. Appreciate some direction here please. Regards Mark
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Old 24-05-2020, 12:58   #2
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Re: AusENC charts

Mark..


in order to understand

first:
- what Operating system?
- AHS S-63 charts or oeSENC(oeEVC) charts?
(for the first you need the S-63 plug-in and for the latter the oeSENC-pi)
- version of OpenCPN and the corresponding plug-in


For Andoid there is no S-63 plug-in btw. oeSENC yes.


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Old 25-05-2020, 00:48   #3
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Re: AusENC charts

Hello Hubert,
HP Spectre x360 with Windows 10 64bit x64 processor OpenCPN is Ver 5.0.0 + 9065270 , S63 plugin is Ver1.12, chart down loader is Ver 1.3. Charts are populated in S63 Charts tab.
Looks like cell permit was in wrong place, have imported cell permits and imported charts, scanned and forced rebuild then Prepared All ENC Charts. In chart group tab All Available and All Charts have same address - C:\ProgramData\opencpn\s63\s63charts\AU. If I double click in All Charts a list populates as per attached pic. I now see charts were only for Solomons .
So all ok for now thanks. Regards Mark
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Old 26-05-2020, 21:03   #4
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Re: AusENC charts

I wasn`t aware AUSENC could work in OpenCPN - is there a guide to installing them?
I use them in Expedition software, but cannot get them working in OpenCPN
Version 5, have S63 chart plugin enabled.
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Old 26-05-2020, 22:15   #5
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Re: AusENC charts

Not AUSEnc, but check out: https://manuals.o-charts.org/oesenc_en_US.html
Or for AUSEnc S63: https://manuals.o-charts.org/s63_en_US.html
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Old 26-05-2020, 22:37   #6
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Re: AusENC charts

Thanks,

I get an error SSE 13 - Cell permit is invalid when I try to import my existing AUSENC cell permit

Is this because that permit was provided to use with Expedition software?
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Old 27-05-2020, 02:45   #7
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Re: AusENC charts

Yes, the Cell Permits are specific for each single software packet or ECDIS/ECS .


It is not possible to use a S-63 set for systems from different system families. Software or ECDIS/ECS.

Within one architecture you can use several copies.


For OpenCPN you need an OpenCPN S-63 UserPermit available at o-charts.
And you will need licensed cells for this individual UserPermit.


If you tell your dealer that you need to switch to a new software as the former one is not supported anymore and you are still in the licensing period, perhaps they will be able to issue cell permits for a new OpenCPN UserPermit.


Consider oeEVC (oeSENC for Australia) as a much more economic alternative. The content is exactly the same, the charts just don't carry the "official" stamp.
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Old 27-05-2020, 02:57   #8
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Thanks for clearing that up, will check out those charts for Open CPN.
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Old 27-05-2020, 19:41   #9
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Yep Ocharts oeSENC for Aus $61au work fine $800 at official supplier work on Androod tablet also Regards Mark
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Re: AusENC charts

A trap for the unwary. I don't know whether it is a bug in OpenCPN (both V5.0 and 5.2) or some other data issue.

I have encountered an issue with a cancelled cell being displayed in OpenCPN, rather than the replacement cell. The issue occurs with AusENC in the Lakes Entrance (Victoria) area.
AU5182P2 is the large scale chart of the area, which has been cancelled.
AU5LEN01 is the replacement, updated, chart for the area.
In the Week 32 update issued on 8-AUG-20, both cells are listed in the PERMIT.TXT file and the PRODUCTS.TXT
When I load the updated permit and updates folders and rebuild the chart database, both cancelled and replacement charts appear in the 'piano keys' but the cancelled chart is displayed. The images below show the first screen (cancelled cell displayed) and, after selecting the second 'piano key', the replacement cell. If you look carefully, you can see a new No-Anchoring area in the approach to the Entrance.
Advice from the Aust Hydrographic Office is that:
"When a cells is cancelled the old cell is not automatically removed from permit files. Some systems allow the customer, if they wish, to view both old cell and the replacement. "
OpenCPN certainly allows the user to view both files, but there is no warning that what you are viewing is outdated.
There is provision in S-63 for the replacement cell to be included in the PRODUCTS.TXT record for the cancelled cell, effectively tagging the old cell as having been replaced. The AHO does not include this in their PRODUCTS.TXT file. There must be some other way of communicating to display software that a cell has been cancelled, which OpenCPN is not using.

This issue may be caused by the fact that the replacement cell is not just a new edition with the same cell name.

The workaround is simple: delete the line for the old cell in the PERMIT.TXT file. But the problem is knowing when you have outdated data on your screen when everything is telling you that it is up to date.

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Re: AusENC charts

This is still happening with the latest update (Week 34) from the AHO.
As well as the Lakes Entrance cell, there is an additional 4 new cells on the eastern Victorian coast with different cell names from the cells they replace. Both new and cancelled cells are loaded but the cancelled cell is displayed (the new cells are greyed out until they are manually selected).
Interestingly, the oeSENC version of the Australian charts shows the replacement cell correctly.

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