Survival challenge

[goboatingnow]

[QUOTE=Mattdewizard;3694720]

Originally Posted by grantmc

No. Captaincy remains in place till rescue. However, of my faculties are impaired I will choose another captain.

Only in the us. Elsewhere the captain remains in command

[HarwichPort]

1. Put everyone in survival suits.
2. Gather anything that will help survive further...food water, robe, knife,..... put in bag if possible and tie to a rope.
3. Everyone out and head for surface.

You are responsible for everyone's life. Staying is not an option depending on location.

[Srqdiver]

Originally Posted by StuM

Ouch! I made the mistake of viewing his profile. Once seen - never forgotten!

Damn You Stu, Now I looked!

[KLo]

It’s great to practice “what if” scenarios. Practice in your living room, on the boat at the dock, out in the water…calm and snotty weather. Practice the words you’ll use, priorities of who gets injury attention first. Test and time yourself for MOB, etc. Thats what we do.
‘The more competently and safely we can operate our vessel is proportionate to the fun we have.’

[ccanupii]

Originally Posted by Mattdewizard

Your boat capsizes. You an 6 crew are trapped in a water tight pilot house. During capsize there was a crew member on deck. They were wearing a survival suit with life vest, epirb attached, and your boat is equiped with a float free life raft. Your boat has been turtled for ten minutes. Possibly the mast is hanging on by the rigging keeping the boat from righting. The crew member on deck could now be unconscious or injured and unable to get in life raft. There are survival suits for everyone in the pilot house. Do you open the companionway door putting everybody in further jeopardy to help the person in the water or not?

Since the only thing keeping the boat cap sized is "possibly" rigging, I am going to say it also possibly that the water is only six feet deep and the mast is "possibly" stuck in the soft mud. And since the boat cap sized over a solid rock out cropping from the shore and we are in the Gulf Intercoastal Water Way in July. I would say just walk to shore. Since our drunk idiot deck hand found the survival suits and life jackets and decided to put them on in the summer heat of the south, lash him to the rudder wirh his EPIRB going off and let him sweat it out till another boat or USCG come along in the next 5 minutes since it is clearly a holiday weekend the waterway is filled with boaters who are absolutely monitoring the radio and in no way to intoxicated to help. We all sit at the bar the next day laughing at the deckhand who put on a survival suit in July and ended up crapping his suit because he was the making fun of everyone in the water tight pilot house on a boat with a mast that gets tangled in its own rigging that would keep the vessel from righting itself. So as a captain that let the deck hand go out in a survival suit without assigning a watch or safety line and that ungrateful person who was laughing and dancing on the bow telling us everything was fine when the boat turned over and never once made an effort to check on the rest of us in the pilot house watching Netflix, I think it is only appropriate that we lash him to the rudder while we go to shore and a beer.

[nofacey]

If the person outside is a wife/son/daughter, you’d be out in a flash……and with a small, hopefully tight crew, chances are you’d be out there PDQ in any case.
These aren’t military operations, and will seldom be run that way.

“The watertight bulkheads will keep her afloat” where have we heard that one before?? And - if it’s true - why would you hesitate opening up to look for the missing crew in your care?

[AJ_n_Audrey]

Originally Posted by StuM

I was one of those that started on dinghies ( about 60 years ago), but I now teach complete beginners on a "Learn To Sail Keelboats" course and we use Club J/24's. IMNSHO, that's a great way to learn for adults. You can learn all about boat handling in something that size without getting a "wet bum" and it's easy to step up in size later.

Yup, +1. I learned to sail in Sunfish's, then Lasers, then O'Day 22, then Catalina 27, and now have my dream boat, for now, a 36.5 foot Pearson, which has 9,000 lbs of lead in the keel, so capsizing, and staying that way, is quite unlikely. No desire for a 60 foot boat, because I can sail my boat single-handed, and have done so many times offshore. Not so easy in a 60 footer.

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

I am also prepared to assert without the slightest blush that a single man CANNOT get a MOB back aboard even a puny 30-footer all by his lonesome! Either one or two more men, or SERIOUS mechanical aid, is required. And don't ask me how I know THAT...

There is a very effective technique to get a MOB back on board:

Use a Lifesling or similar device.

There are examples on the internet, and pictorial instructions on the case of the lifesling, but basically when you have the MOB along side (amidships) with the lifesling around his torso, you attach a halyard to the lifesling shackle and hoist him with the halyard. The actual instructions show that you use a block and tackle attached to the mast or a halyard end, but we would use the halyard itself. Our halyards go to a large primary winch so there is plenty of power to lift 200lbs.

https://www.westmarine.com/on/demand...2%20Manual.pdf

My friends, Doug and Kathy Fryer, developed the Lifesling and it has been widely practiced and used. It works.



Oh wait, he's capsized, Dang!...

[TrentePieds]

Aye:-) The LifeSling is just fine, but you do need mechanical aid to use it as i said.

In the days before roller furling, dropping the main, letting it go over the side halyard attached, shifting the MOB into the bunt of the sail, heaving on fall of the halyard, using a winch if necessary, thereby parbuckling the MOB up and over the rail/life lines, was an approved technique.

This requires, of course, that you have a PROPER running topping lift rather than the sundry kinds of make believe topping lifts with which far too many small boats are equipped these days :-)

TrentePieds

Voila - built in LifeSling.

[Patrigo]

I reckon the guy is some kind of a nutter.

[Madehn]

Ok I read two pages of this before I realized that was time from my life that I can never get back. Another great use for the “ignore “ button.

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by Patrigo

I reckon the guy is some kind of a nutter.

Ya reckon?? Looking at his other doom and gloom threads I think it is friggin obvious.

[Whisper 2]

Don survival suits get hold of the grab bag if you have one and make an escape from the boat because soon it will be too late.

[El Pinguino]

Did the OP say 'Southern Ocean' and 'heavy seas'.

Bullimore was lucky - don't think that sort of luck will be coming around again any time soon.

https://www.wral.com/tony-bullimore-...t-79/17753429/

Best to just have sing-songs to keep up crew morale and maybe a game of 'I spy'.Don't forget when they die to pop the bodies out through the hatch . Nothing worse for morale than sharing a pilot house with a ded un.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by wingssail

There is a very effective technique to get a MOB back on board:



Use a Lifesling or similar device.



There are examples on the internet, and pictorial instructions on the case of the lifesling, but basically when you have the MOB along side (amidships) with the lifesling around his torso, you attach a halyard to the lifesling shackle and hoist him with the halyard. The actual instructions show that you use a block and tackle attached to the mast or a halyard end, but we would use the halyard itself. Our halyards go to a large primary winch so there is plenty of power to lift 200lbs.



https://www.westmarine.com/on/demand...2%20Manual.pdf



My friends, Doug and Kathy Fryer, developed the Lifesling and it has been widely practiced and used. It works.



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Oh wait, he's capsized, Dang!...

How does an disabled casualty get the life sling around his torso

How does it work if your boom has fallen off

What happens if the crew can’t physically lift the casualty

What happens when the casualty only clears 1/3 of the guardrail. How does the casualty get on board

In a big seaway the casualty will be repeatedly slammed in the hull side as he is initially drawn Towards the boat and then raised along side the hull

Booms are difficult to position that far out over the water and hold steady not to mention are not designed as a crane. ???

The halyard unless fed through the boom
End somehow has a terrible lead to winch anyone aboard as anyone brining a dinghy on board knows.