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11-08-2011, 21:52
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Location: Punta De Mita
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
COME ON, MAN! I'm just dying to know what it is and you're almost as slow as me. 7 days a week isn't cutting it around here, you're just going to have to put in 8.
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11-08-2011, 22:04
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#77
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Location: Back in Northern California working on the Ranch
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
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Originally Posted by sww914
COME ON, MAN! I'm just dying to know what it is and you're almost as slow as me. 7 days a week isn't cutting it around here, you're just going to have to put in 8.
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I'll be there tomorrow morning Steve...You're going to help...right???
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11-08-2011, 22:10
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#78
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
I'm a consultant now.
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12-08-2011, 22:35
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
...Ok boys and girls...the plot thickens...I pulled it today, removed the transmission and bell-housing. Still clunk...clunk  . It did have an over abundance of never-seize in the housing from the fasteners being coated and pushed through the threads. I brought it home to the shop and drained 4 quarts of oil and no metal bits but black as my ex-wife's heart!
I will pull the pan tomorrow.
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13-08-2011, 04:01
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#80
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Netherlands, Holland
Boat: Sold Sigma 33 OOD some time ago, will be chartering in Turkey really soon
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
Why not start with the head? My bet is you will find loose nuts put in there (one per cylinder) explaining is ability to turn 140 degrees before clunk in both directions.
Ah, found it; you think spending 200 pounds or dollars costs less than removing the whole engine. Well lets see; reading this made me curious.
Eric
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13-08-2011, 04:57
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
Not in transmission, so that shoots my theory down. Good luck and I will continue to follow your saga with interest.
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13-08-2011, 07:39
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Location: Adirondacks
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
No metal shavings..good news. Rod is likely bent and hitting block wall. Black oil is not unusual, happens pretty quickly in most diesels. Bet it got waterlocked somehow and bent a rod when starting.
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13-08-2011, 07:49
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
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Originally Posted by smurphny
No metal shavings..good news. Rod is likely bent and hitting block wall. Black oil is not unusual, happens pretty quickly in most diesels. Bet it got waterlocked somehow and bent a rod when starting.
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Doubtful; if it was water locked at some time and left for a couple of years after that I do not think it would move freely as id does now. Th water would have made sure the cylinder, rings and piston would have rusted all together.
Agree on the black oil; quite normal in diesels.
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13-08-2011, 07:57
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
Will be interesting to hear the final verdict!
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13-08-2011, 08:00
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
Ditto on the black oil. It is designed to grab all the carbon and suspend it. I will have the pan off by the end of the day.
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13-08-2011, 13:34
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
.............I have given up for the day. Here is what I have done so far...Removed the pan...no broken rod...sorry. Removed the timing cover...same clunk. Removed the valve lifters and pushrods...THEN removed the idler gear which connects the cam and injector/water pump to the crank gear. I can spin the cam and injector pump freely. I rotated the crank and clunk clunk. Tomorrow I will reluctantly remove the head.
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13-08-2011, 13:52
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Location: Nicholasville, Kentucky
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
How's about the bell housing and flywheel or did you hear it more from the front part of the engine?
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13-08-2011, 14:36
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
The flywheel and bellhousing have been removed.
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13-08-2011, 16:33
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Location: Houston
Boat: Pearson 303
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
I’m going to go ahead and step into the deep water since the options are pretty slim at this point. Is it possible that the head of a valve has broken off and fallen in to the cylinder? The valve stem would still look normal. Before you take off the head, is it worth disconnecting each piston from the crank to see which one, if any, won’t go to the top? I'll be waiting by my computer tomorrow for the verdict instead of sailing.
Paul
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13-08-2011, 17:12
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#90
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Re: Engine Diagnosis
By all means go sailing. I'm on my 10th Prozac. I love the way the engine is changing colors now... 
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