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Old 10-02-2020, 08:18   #1
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New price point for AIS class B+

Just ordered one of these.Newest specs. Half the price of a digital yacht 5000

Look at this on eBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/352818631808

Looks pretty cool. Should be a great deal.
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I'm intrigued. Let us know how it works out.
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

eBay has always had AIS units for about that amount and they have all been uncertified and illegal to use in the USA and probably EU as well.
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

Its on its way.... I downloaded the APP and the free map download is limited at the moment. I sent them an email asking when Canada and the rest of the Caribbean will be available. Not a deal breaker by any means as it will be tied into Open CPN and or a NMEA network eventually. The video makes it look slick.
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eBay has always had AIS units for about that amount and they have all been uncertified and illegal to use in the USA and probably EU as well.
Can you provide more info about this? There's not much on this unit but what I see suggests it is legal to use in US.
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

The Naviom manual claims compliance with FCC Part 15. However, they are not listed (at least by that name) on the FCC website. Any radio transmitter for sale in the US should be listed on the FCC website. Set the "Equipment Class" to "AIS..." and you'll get a list of all AIS models approved for sale in the US.

Voluntary/recreational vessels may carry any AIS on that list. Commercials vessels may only carry USCG approved units, which are a subset of that list. You can check USCG approval here. Set the "Approval Series Name" to the desired class of "Automatic Identification System".

[Edit] BTW, if your radio has an FCC ID then the same database can be a source for the manuals if you can't find them anywhere else. Manufacturer's have to submit manuals as part of the certification process, and for the most part they are available in the "Details" section of the entry for that radio.
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

They do say that US users have to have the MMSI number programmed by an approved technician. I guess the government doesn't trust you to be able to transpose a few numbers correctly..... finally a benefit to being Canadian..... I can set up my AIS without paying a fee.......
That "implies" that they are aware of the rules around such things.....
It will be a couple weeks before I get mine and I cant test it other than gps and wifi as I am shopping for a newer boat and there isnt much marine traffic on Lake Ontario this time of year ,,, ;-)
My thread.... so I will let the group know what I learn.
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

Is it that much cheaper than an Em-Trak B350 or similar?

IIRC there are only a few AIS manufacturers, the rest of the companies just buy the chipset from the likes of Em-Trak et al.
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

This one is interesting in that it has everything except an antenna splitter.
Nmea 0183 and 2000, wifi, 5 watts and the latest class b+ SOTMDA protocol. The AT5000 has that at 3x the price and I still think it lacks Android integration..... YMMV.
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The B600 model has wifi at nearly 2x the cost.... and still needs a computer and CD to set up....
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

Since this unit is brand new it may be approved but waiting on the FCC to add it to the list..... let's hope.
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

emtrak - $350

https://www.ebay.com/itm/em-trak-B10...4383.l4275.c10

you can buy a package including an antenna splitter for $539

but you have to cable these up.

Not sure I'm a fan of all the bluetooth on a boat. Any electrical interference (say lightning?) and your instrumentation goes out?
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Re: New price point for AIS class B+

So what happens if your boat has an 'unapproved' or 'expired' device? My guess probably nothing unless you are causing willful interference.

No offense, but I wouldn't buy anything from the Russian Federation. China, sometimes. Japan no problem.
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emtrak - $350

https://www.ebay.com/itm/em-trak-B10...4383.l4275.c10

you can buy a package including an antenna splitter for $539

but you have to cable these up.

Not sure I'm a fan of all the bluetooth on a boat. Any electrical interference (say lightning?) and your instrumentation goes out?
That's a Class B CSTDMA transceiver, not a B+ SOTMDA unit. Not the same thing at all.
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So what happens if your boat has an 'unapproved' or 'expired' device? My guess probably nothing unless you are causing willful interference.

No offense, but I wouldn't buy anything from the Russian Federation. China, sometimes. Japan no problem.
It *really* depends on how motivated the FCC and USCG are to track you down. If for some reason they are not happy, you are REALLY easy to find. How much effort they put into doing this I do not know.
One clue is if the end user can program the MMSI. They might suggest an "authorized technician" do this, but if it is physically possible then you KNOW it is not USA legal.
Also note all Part 15 approval says is it does not generate interference beyond a certain level, this is what a toaster or clock radio has stamped on it.
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