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Old 09-05-2021, 11:43   #61
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that klien looks like a double crimp for plastic terminals. not for hs terminals. as is the anchor. the first one has bits for both.

personaly I can't stand rachet crimpers. they open too big so you need 2 hands to use it. and a 3rd hand to hold the wire. I prefer regular non ratchet crimpers you can operate one handed. no small wire should be getting pulled on anyways.
If it’s not a ratchet crimper I would throw it overboard - well in the bin actually.
At least if it’s ratcheted you can at least half hope that it’s at least had some design put into it.
Those cheap things they sell for 10 - 20$ or what ever they cost these days, are for diy on cars.

Personally I prefer to use Deutsch connectors, even if you only use the pins and heat shine them and not the plugs themselves - if your through crimping with a butt connector then your wire is not long enough!
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Old 10-05-2021, 19:06   #62
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Has anyone had any success with the connectors with solder in them? It seems like a good idea, but I burn through the insulation more often than not. Any tricks to make them work?
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Old 10-05-2021, 20:37   #63
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As retired pro myself, I share your curiosity.

However there are pros and then there are pros - the spectrum is huge and only exceed by the spectrum of ratchet crimpers available.

I am guessing we have different workplace experiences and different concepts of acceptable work practices; such things colour opinions.

I have spent a working lifetime of crimping zillions of wires ranging in size from 1,000MCM to 26 AWG and as sure as heck, I don't know everything about crimping tools.

However I do know that ratchet crimpers give repeatable results. Now the results may not be acceptable, but they are repeatable - this is important IMO. The only way to improve the quality of the crimp is to know why it isn't consistently good enough. A ratchet crimper removes one major aspect of poor operator technique.

Of course one can't compare a $30 multi die hand operated ratchet crimping tool to a $2,000 single die hand operated ratchet crimping tool complete with a current calibration certificate but both will give repeatable results; at least in the short term (months).

In some work areas, the customer will accept average work as long as it works and isn't expensive. Such pros will have a viewpoint that is very different from mine.

In some of my workspaces, the serial number (and calibration certificate) of the crimping tool along with the lot number of the crimps used were recorded in the worksheet of the work carried out and then personally certified to a standard. The worksheet became part of the historical maintenance log book. I'm not suggesting one's sailing boat requires such attention to detail but it does colour one's opinion of what is best practice. It is sobering to know my signature and the tooling I used on a job I did on say a certain day in March, 1990 (or whenever) is recorded in hard copy and can be accessed if necessary.

We also calibrated crimping tools to NATA standards for outside pros. The calibration period is determined by the expected time the tool is expected to give consistent crimps. A 'no name' tool might be adjusted to meet the calibration requirements but only get a 6 month certificate whereas a top line tool might never (or more correctly - rarely) need adjustment and would get a 2 year certificate.

So I will only put a ratchet crimpers in my hands but others can do differently; they wouldn't get any work from me though....

FWIW, using a ratchet crimper is simple, right. Just for fun, test your knowledge against the manufactures way - nine pages on how to correctly use a $2,000 single die hand operated crimping tool. http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2313713.pdf

EDIT: There are of course, many types and styles of terminations where ratchet crimpers aren't available, in such instances the above notes don't apply.
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Re: Heat shrink connectors & crimpers

Wasn't expecting to generate so much discussion.

Can anyone confirm - can the same ratcheting crimp tool be used on nylon and heat shrink terminals - or is there a seperate for each?
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Wasn't expecting to generate so much discussion.

Can anyone confirm - can the same ratcheting crimp tool be used on nylon and heat shrink terminals - or is there a seperate for each?
Those are different dies. You have: 1) non insulated, 2) insulated and 3) heat shrink. Each type has its own dies.

The Wirefy ratchet crimper listed earlier has each one, plus the dies for ferrules.
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Re: Heat shrink connectors & crimpers

I have never used a crimper before and was doing some research on various ones including Ancor and RC’s - the Wirefy seem to have different dies for heat shrink butt connectors and heat shrink terminals whereas Ancor and RC have one set for both butt connectors and terminals. Do I really need 2 separate dies for them or the heat shrink terminal one will work on butt connectors too? I am leaning towards getting the Wirefy.
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I have never used a crimper before and was doing some research on various ones including Ancor and RC’s - the Wirefy seem to have different dies for heat shrink butt connectors and heat shrink terminals whereas Ancor and RC have one set for both butt connectors and terminals. Do I really need 2 separate dies for them or the heat shrink terminal one will work on butt connectors too? I am leaning towards getting the Wirefy.
Heat shrink all the same dies... incl. Wirefy. I listed the 4 die sets that come with it above
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Heat shrink all the same dies... incl. Wirefy. I listed the 4 die sets that come with it above
My crimp tool does not have separate heat shrink dies. It mangles the heat shrink (while perfectly crimping the metal inside). But when you the heat shrink with the heat gun, the mangling goes away. So it's all good.
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