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Old 16-10-2017, 06:18   #1
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Could a hack have caused the naval ships to crash?

I saw this on Bleeping Computer:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...anything-else/

Causes me to wonder if the watch standers were standing a proper watch on equipment that didn't show large ships traveling rapidly towards their ships.

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Re: Could a hack have caused the naval ships to crash?

I had read that same thing somewhere else, but it was not 'could have'.
seems like the one i read came out about 2 weeks later.

It is possible, although i think civilian passenger aircraft would have been the first target.
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I had read that same thing somewhere else, but it was not 'could have'.
seems like the one i read came out about 2 weeks later.

It is possible, although i think civilian passenger aircraft would have been the first target.
who said they were not... where is flight 370...........
and no one has mentioned the cargo ships with erratic courses before the hits. hits being communications center and sleep areas. maximum damage from minimal attempt to injure appearing to be accident on part of navy.
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Re: Could a hack have caused the naval ships to crash?

No, a hack like this could not "cause" a collision.

The problem is revealed in your comment about the watch standers standing watch "on equipment." Watch standers do NOT stand watch on equipment. They use equipment to assist them in standing watch on the ship. But the basic responsibility is still -- always has been, and always will be -- to LOOK AROUND! Had they not been overly-focused on their equipment, someone might have actually looked out a window and SEEN the other vessels.

The cause of the collision is a failure to keep a proper watch, which led to a failure to take evasive action early enough. Believing what your equipment tells you, and not actually looking outside for yourself, is -- all by itself -- a failure to keep a proper watch!
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Re: Could a hack have caused the naval ships to crash?

What's proper watch?
Was the moon out?
Did the ships, hack the electronics, on a moonless night with lights off.
Night goggles ... were they used and at longer distances would night goggles work?
The indication that the big ship turned to avoid, might also be the sailors were on proper watch, but for whatever reason saw the other ship in close proximity.

Maybe the US navy ship turned in an attempt to avoid a ship they had lost on their screens and that the watches couldn't see.

For sure ... something's going on
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Re: Could a hack have caused the naval ships to crash?

Is the grassy knoll going to come up as well
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and no one has mentioned the cargo ships with erratic courses before the hits. hits being communications center and sleep areas. maximum damage from minimal attempt to injure appearing to be accident on part of navy.
Sorry Zee this is tinfoil hat material. The idea that anyone could take control of both ships and successfully orchestrate a collision targeting specific areas of one of the ships is beyond science fiction.
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Re: Could a hack have caused the naval ships to crash?

Not impossible but 99.9999% unlikely.

My first guess is that OOD (Officer of the Deck) was hot dogging the ship around merchant vessels. He was coming close intentionally to play out a potential war scenario or was conducting an exercise.....and made a misjudgment.

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Sorry Zee this is tinfoil hat material. The idea that anyone could take control of both ships and successfully orchestrate a collision targeting specific areas of one of the ships is beyond science fiction.
who said controlling both ships..... the cargo ship EACH TIME made a wayward course, not the navy. and EACH TIME the cargo ship damages the communications and sleep areas of the navy ships...
no tin hat.
forensics and observation.
the angle of the dangle.
easy to see the navy didnot do anything wrong. however, the cargo ships have exhibited irregular courses and in one instance was coming nose to nose, in each its own proper lane, nothing done by navy to stick its midships section into the nose of the cargo ship. strange, as the navy ship didnot turn, cargo ships did. others passed the usn without incident--why did that particular ship ram usn. before the ramming, the cargo ship in question seemed to be searching for something, proceeding slower than the rest of the traffic. as if waiting.
try thinking as if the usa is not the most happy and loved place on planet. start thinking as if someone is trying to make folks think usn is not able to manage proper seamanship--according to the verbalized thinking on this thread, uss coles went out of its way to be rammed by a smaller boat.
it only takes a small error put into the steering of the cargo ship. it did cross a lane to get to midships of the usn.
now, as usn is to be using ais, the approaching cargo ships can see em without waiting and slowing to search
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Re: Could a hack have caused the naval ships to crash?

We will probably never know what went on aboard the Navy ships in either case, as the Navy is covering up its embarrassment. That leaves the field open for the tin hat crowd to speculate.

However, in the Fitzgerald case, the most likely cause was a COMPLETE breakdown in the crew which was standing watch. About 10 Navy crew utterly failed to do their job simultaneously. Hackers could have buggered the AIS/GPS, but the coastal stations and the other ships had no problems. More unlikely, they could have buggered the Navy ship's radar, but their is no way at all they could have buggered the 3 lookout's eyeballs. Not only did the boxship have its navigation lights on, it shown its spotlight at the Fitzgerald. The Fitzgerald crew probably didn't know the boxship was within 2 miles of them until metal started bending, as they didn't sound any alarms.

The John McCain case was different. They were hotdogging around the Singapore traffic zone, and anyone ever told them about suction effect, they weren't listening. They tried to overtake and pass to close to a tanker, and the suction effect likely turned them in front of it. Their steering did not fail, the Navy watchstanders did-- at least they knew the ship was there.
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