What happens to all the wannabees?

[Jim Cate]

To Boatman61, I am far from mamby pamby and not much for PC either, I just value respect...

Respect must be earned to be of much value. You haven't done much to achieve that yet. As we get to know you via your posts, you may find that responses to you do express respect. So far, with nine posts to your credit, and several of those above where you are complaining of lack of respect... well...

I do hope that you stick around. Your dreams, similar to those that are so very often posited by newbie posters with no experience, are good ones. Yet, to add to the difficult goal of circumnavigation, doing it in a boat that you have built yourself, well, that's a big ask of yourself. There are lots of folks here who have circumnavigated, and quite a few who have built their own boats. Not so many who have combined those feats, and even fewer (maybe none) who did so right out of the newbie box.

So load us up with your questions. We'll do our best to help you. And when you have earned it, we will likely show our respect for your accomplishments.

Jim

[Fore and Aft]

Dustman a leaner simpler Wharram might be pushing the design envelope a bit much. Wharrams are generally very simple anyway and those hulls are fairly lean by modern standards. They are fairly easy to build and you should be able to build one quickly.
Good Luck

[wolfgal]

read most of this thread...

a few things jump out at me

we vs me:

unless we are talking about a young individual who hasn't gotten tied down yet (by kids, a mortgage, the system) and who can just do it, most folks who say 'WE decided to get a boat and cruise', do just that. they plan and work and get the boat and go. look back at the threads: most of the success stories start with "we", and this, even with major issues regarding finances, health or other obstacles/deterrents.

imho, the team-thing counts for a whole lot. the locomotive is bigger and stronger, and it tracks. sure, there are those teams that split after the first passage, but the first passage happened due to the team.


good luck and bad luck:

some manage to step on the right stones, but not all do... there are those holes that appear to be stones in life. these holes could concern the boat (bought a bad boat), health, family, finances, or even disaster. it isn't always about how determined one may be, how strong they are, how pro they are, how ready they were. life happens, so does sh*t.

i'm thinking about Rebel Heart right now. i did not post in the current thread, didn't want to be one of those who judges another before walking three miles in those moccasins... most folks do not want to judge but do, and mostly with good intention.
hindsight is easy; but in the present, all of us tend to do the best we can do.


community:

imh experience, folks who want to give up lubberlife and get a boat and cruise do not always get support from family and friends. it many cases, it is quite the opposite. whether they think we are selfish or plain nuts, land-folk can place guilt-trips, obstacles, barriers. sometimes, it takes a lot of energy just figuring the best escape route! so beyond all the amazing technical advice-giving and learning that happens here, the cf community can really help one to look beyond the naysayers (and doers) tremendously, and this is much, much appreciated!

and yes, getting slammed or being called a liberal arts college student (yes, but only once) is no fun, but, even with the slammers and those who do not get the tone of the post (humour doesn't convey well with words, by the way), CF is a fantastic community. so many authentic characters. so many who really want for others to succeed (even by pointing out the holes in their plan. some challenge others systematically). the more i get to know folks on here, the more i wish to meet them (you), once i'm out there.

and (let me surprise a few) more and more, i find that even the grumpy farts are endearing, once you get to know them.


Atoll, this noob is not giving up!






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wolfie

[dustman]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Respect must be earned to be of much value. You haven't done much to achieve that yet. As we get to know you via your posts, you may find that responses to you do express respect. So far, with nine posts to your credit, and several of those above where you are complaining of lack of respect... well...

I do hope that you stick around. Your dreams, similar to those that are so very often posited by newbie posters with no experience, are good ones. Yet, to add to the difficult goal of circumnavigation, doing it in a boat that you have built yourself, well, that's a big ask of yourself. There are lots of folks here who have circumnavigated, and quite a few who have built their own boats. Not so many who have combined those feats, and even fewer (maybe none) who did so right out of the newbie box.

So load us up with your questions. We'll do our best to help you. And when you have earned it, we will likely show our respect for your accomplishments.

Jim

I do not expect immediate respect for my current knowledge on this subject, I expect respect as a human being.


You all need to earn my respect and the respect of other "wannabes" and newbies, just as much I/we need to earn your respect.



That out of the way...


My plan is to put years of thought and design, along with some actual experience on the water, into this project before beginning construction. I have worked nearly my entire adult life in some sort of hands on, fairly technical profession, so I have little doubt that I am capable of building a sound boat. Then I will spend months getting to know my boat in relatively safe conditions before attempting an ocean crossing. In other words, I am not diving headlong into this. I am only going ahead with a circumnavigation when I am confident that myself and my vessel are ready. I really don't want to die.



I would really appreciate the benefit all your experiences along the way, but please, keep the naysaying and condescension to a minimum. I am doing this with or without you guys, but I believe I'd be much better off with you. With your help, I believe I will be building something special.

[Fore and Aft]

Dustman trust me if you are going to build a Wharram style cat then you will be “something special” I am yet to meet a Wharram owner that was not a little bit “different”. Great people, just not your normal yachtie if that’s such a thing?
Cheers

[boatman61]

If your going for a Wharram style lean towards the Tiki style and the stitch and glue technique..
Having owned two I can assure you it will be hard to make them much simpler but hey.. give it a go.
One thing I have learnt.. Respect is earned not dished out like soup kitchen handouts, I copped for loads of crap in the early days here as I did not use the correct terminology but I replied with The Finger.. and folk started conceding I had learnt via The School of Hard Knocks..
Going back a couple of posts to the Whinging Pom crack.. Bitching dont earn respect just disdain.
Knuckle down and learn, not just about boats but also the personalities you'll likely meet in your travels..
Most are okay in real life, some are bludi awesome..
And a few, like me are miserable old gits..

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by dustman

I do not expect immediate respect for my current knowledge on this subject, I expect respect as a human being...

Everyone is due respect for their PERSON. Respect for one’s accomplishments, must be earned.
I will automatically & unconditionally respect a person’s right to be, and to have an opinion.
My respect for their opinion will have been earned (or not).

[dustman]

I should really say Wharram inspired, rather than Wharram style.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by boatman61

The seamans world is often a rough one so one has to learn to give back.. none of your namby pamby PC in harbours around the world mate..

but on the opposite side I've met CF members who were kind of a**holes on the forum, but pretty nice in person where you are able to punch them in the nose if they get out of line too much

[a64pilot]

Often there are builders, and their are sailors or fliers.
I’ve not been around many that have built their own boat, but have been around many who have built their own airplane.
I understand the reasoning behind building your own airplane, it’s the way an average Joe can do their own work after the aircraft is built, and because if you don’t have to meet FAA standards, more things are possible.

However why build your own boat, when many, many boats are available already built for less than the cost of the materials in them?
Very unlikely you can build as good a boat as a factory can, especially if you don’t have decades of experience in Cruising or manufacturing.

I’m saying go buy yourself a boat and gain experience. Then when you know what you want and it’s not all theory, then if you still want to build, do so, at least then you’ll have a better idea of what you want as opposed as to what you think you want.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

Often there are builders, and their are sailors or fliers.
I’ve not been around many that have built their own boat, but have been around many who have built their own airplane.
I understand the reasoning behind building your own airplane, it’s the way an average Joe can do their own work after the aircraft is built, and because if you don’t have to meet FAA standards, more things are possible.

However why build your own boat, when many, many boats are available already built for less than the cost of the materials in them?
Very unlikely you can build as good a boat as a factory can, especially if you don’t have decades of experience in Cruising or manufacturing.

I’m saying go buy yourself a boat and gain experience. Then when you know what you want and it’s not all theory, then if you still want to build, do so, at least then you’ll have a better idea of what you want as opposed as to what you think you want.

Very good advice.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

but on the opposite side I've met CF members who were kind of a**holes on the forum, but pretty nice in person where you are able to punch them in the nose if they get out of line too much

Yeah.!!!
But.. How fast can ya run..???
Naah, Naah naNaahh. !!!

[unbusted67]

I started on here with no experience. I bought a 12 foot O'day Widgeon with a busted mast step, with the help of CF I fixed the mast step, bought some interior paint (did not ask CF for advice on paint) and have since sold that boat and worked my way up to a 35 foot CAL in which I made it to the Bahamas and back. I have my 100 ton license and a job running a boat for a living. Thanks Cruisers Forum! What an awesome resource! When do I get to become a moderator?!

[Tetepare]

Originally Posted by dustman

You all need to earn my respect and the respect of other "wannabes" and newbies, just as much I/we need to earn your respect.

Thanks for the offer, I'll decline.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

Often there are builders, and their are sailors or fliers.
I’ve not been around many that have built their own boat, but have been around many who have built their own airplane.
I understand the reasoning behind building your own airplane, it’s the way an average Joe can do their own work after the aircraft is built, and because if you don’t have to meet FAA standards, more things are possible.

However why build your own boat, when many, many boats are available already built for less than the cost of the materials in them?
Very unlikely you can build as good a boat as a factory can, especially if you don’t have decades of experience in Cruising or manufacturing.

I’m saying go buy yourself a boat and gain experience. Then when you know what you want and it’s not all theory, then if you still want to build, do so, at least then you’ll have a better idea of what you want as opposed as to what you think you want.

Tell that to Noah... Great boat the Arche, wasn't it😜