Things the internet's ruined

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by GordMay

"The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why it Matters" is a 2017 nonfiction book [1] by Tom Nichols. It is an expansion of a 2014 article [2], published in The Federalist.

[1] Book ➥ https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...h-of-expertise
[2] Full article ➥ https://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17...-of-expertise/

Yup. Should be mandatory reading for anyone who wants to argue about stuff outside their wheelhouse.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by StoneCrab

And then there are those who accept that an experimental RNA therapy which bypassed any animal or human trials ...

Where do you get your DISinformation?
While mRNA is a new technology, experts have been working on it for years.
Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials when testing their COVID-19 vaccines.
In Sept. 2020, Pfizer and BioNTech released information about the effects of their mRNA vaccine in mice and non-human primates [1]. Moderna has also released similar information [2].
Along with the vaccines for Pfizer and Moderna both passing animal trials, they also passed clinical trials on humans where they were tested on more than 70,000 people.

[1] https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...l-studies-mrna

[1] https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...l-studies-mrna

[2] https://investors.modernatx.com/news...l-medicine-non

[Jdeuel]

Originally Posted by CaptTom

I set my browser to clear cookies at the end of each browser session. I never log on to anything until I need to. I close the browser regularly. I don't get any "personalized" content so I'm free to make up my own mind what to follow.

Take a look a Brave Browser and use Duck Duck Go as the default search engine. After starting that and incorporating a VPN, I stopped getting targeted ads based on what I browsed earlier in the day. As of today, 130,999 ads/trackers have been blocked since I started using it. The browser is free, by the way. I pay for Express VPN.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by StoneCrab

And then there are those who accept that an experimental RNA therapy which bypassed any animal or human trials as a "vaccine" when it bears none of the vaccine traits.

Thanks for illustrating my points better than I ever could.

[Tellie]

Originally Posted by RiverRat37

I submit that the worst thing about the internet is that we do!

How is the original poster's life any better for having found out if Rembrandt is the first name or the surname? What's more, after going to all that trouble they didn't even give us the answer!

The internet wouldn't have helped either. We DON'T NEED TO KNOW about Rembrandt's name. Our life is not one wit better for knowing or not knowing. The time spent looking it up would have been wasted. Completely wasted. As is my time banging out this reply.

Now, how to repair that cantankerous alternator .... that's a different kettle of fish.

Except the rest of all our lives are not any better for you fixing your alternator. What is value to ones life is relative. As things go you state that "we" don't need to know. "We" don't "Need" a boat either. I suppose there are plenty more people out there who feel about boats as some feel about Rembrandts name. It all depends on where you place "your" values. Personally, I would have preferred a successful motor bike repair and a visit to the museum over a Google search any day. I have this suspicion I'd come away from the museum not only knowing if Rembrandt is a first or last name but a life far more enriched than a cursory search on the Internet. As an honest admission I find myself looking through the Internet as well and spend time on YouTube researching things. But I find my attention span is tested on the Internet. It is limited to a few minutes before getting bored. A day at the museum, I can spend hours.
PS, I believe it is his first name. I learned that at the Rijksmuseum

[HBrew]

Are you sure it’s the internet that is the problem?

People use the internet to wittingly or unwittingly share misinformation and disinformation (do you know the difference? . People use the internet to share hatred, division and prejudice. But people also use the internet to share truth, love and kindness. The good and bad both happen with greater speed and reach thanks to the internet but of course both existed in plentiful supply BI (before internet).

There have always been people who took the time to learn the truth, share the truth and deal with the truth (which, if we are honest, can sometimes be difficult). Just as there have always been people (most people) who can’t be bothered to find the truth or don’t really want to find the truth, even with Google at their fingertips as opposed to the need to get up off your couch, get on your bike and go and discover the truth.

Of course we can lament the loss of cultural diversity that a common source of information brings. But ask, why is this so? Because when you offer the good and the bad of the internet to people who never had libraries or museums to visit, they grab it with both hands. But while I think we sailors and adventurers likely seek diversity, that’s not necessarily commonplace and never has been. When I was young I first heard a French maxim, ‘vive la différence’. As time has passed I have appreciated this idea more and more. After all, it is about respecting and celebrating human diversity. Do all of today’s movements attempting to right the undeniable wrongs of the past deal with the truth (and in my opinion, wonderful truth) that we are not all the same?

No, my fellow sailors and adventurers, I don’t think it is the internet that is the problem. The problem is the same as it always was; us.

[boatman61]

I'd still rather read a book than browse the net..

[Pelagic]

I think of the Internet as a Tool.

It can help.
It can hurt.
It can be ignored.

The rest is up to you and the perspective of what you call "reality".

[Gazzza]

Originally Posted by RiverRat37

How is the original poster's life any better for having found out if Rembrandt is the first name or the surname? What's more, after going to all that trouble they didn't even give us the answer!

It was all about the journey, not the answer ...

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Tellie

... I have this suspicion I'd come away from the museum not only knowing if Rembrandt is a first or last name ...
...PS, I believe it is his first name. I learned that at the Rijksmuseum

One of his [several] signatures:

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by Tetepare

True. My fault.





I often opined that the islanders should toss the telephone exchanges, internet, and satellite earth stations into the sea, and go back to the old way of life.



Problem is, I'm the one that put a lot of that stuff out there. Manihiki, Majuro, Munda. My fault. Rarotonga, Rotuma, Rakahanga, Penryhn, Palau, Pitcairn, Pago, Pohnpei. Check. The list goes on.



And when they got any sort of real internet speed and smart phones the #1 use was BoobTube. Not logistics, not building small business, not even keeping in touch with family. Videos. Heck, Chuuk became the top Pacific spot that uploaded home porn to the point that everyone knew multiple people on Chuuk who was in their own home brewed porn video.



It wasn't all my fault. There were others. Sold as development through connectivity, it's done little of real value. Who needs 5G on Rarotonga? Seriously? It's a 15 minute trip to anywhere. It's all about entertainment.



My bad.

Lol, I had to laugh at that!
I took the SS Thorfinn out there from Vancouver on her inaugural voyage in 1981??
Chuukese men are a very aggressive group of islanders and can only imagine how that must have terrified the women, or maybe it gave them respite from a culture that has no word for rape.

Update, just got email last week from same owner in Chuuk, who complained about how poor the internet service is on board

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Yup. Should be mandatory reading for anyone who wants to argue about stuff outside their wheelhouse.

This I don't get Mike.
The mathematician Euclid apparently believed that one should refrain from becoming an expert so as to develop theories outside accepted principles.

Of course there is a difference between argue and disuss

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Pelagic

This I don't get Mike.
The mathematician Euclid apparently believed that one should refrain from becoming an expert so as to develop theories outside accepted principles.

Of course there is a difference between argue and disuss

The book discusses the concept of expert, and expertise. And it goes over the notions of how knowledge is developed and enhanced in our modern society. In no way does it suggest lay people should refrain from discussing topics. But that doesn't mean everyone's views and thoughts are equal.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by boatman61

The Internet however is once censored it is forever so.

There is still:
https://archive.org/web/

[Dr. D]

Rather than reading all the replies, I will reply (hell, that is what happens with most threads):

Freeform Googling is the path to ignorance.

What is the source? Can the advice/statement/claim be substantiated otherwise? Is there a political agenda taint to the material?

Further, the idea that "BOOKS" are the source of all true knowledge is the same as claiming the Internet is the source of all true knowledge. You doesn't recall skimming through books full of BS? I do.