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Old 09-02-2019, 18:17   #16
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Since I have no access to information I will revert to some of the history of US intervention in South and Central America, military or intelligent arrangement of republics that want to nationalize or change the owners US business interests without negotiation and compensation. Was not the Monroe Doctrine applied to "real" situations? Or was it just the foreign ships and aggression mentioned in my grade school history lessons. I am getting too old to push the panic button over BS. Some of the history of US military action in the hemisphere comes to mind: Cuba (Philippines also), Trinidad, Panama, Chile, Bolivia, and Cuba again with the missile crisis... El Salvador and Guatemala, and Nicaragua.
Not in any order and very incomplete. I left out the many occurrences of friction with Mexico and also directly with Russia dealing with Alaska and the Aleutians, as that is not in tropical waters. We had a significant dispute with the UK / Canada over Islands on the far west of the continent, but cool local heads realized at the time that communications was slow and they should wait and have a few beers together while ships brought news of the conflict in the east. Nice to hang with cool heads particularly well supplied with beer, grog, rum, and good whiskey!
I prefer diplomacy over military action, but there is little negative to be said about war except that people and many innocents not only get hurt, they pay the highest price. In the end it is the taxpayer that coughs up the money and soldiers that pay in blood and breath. On the ecological side, war leaves one hell of a mess that is a stain on everyones record. Chain the peacemaker to the table and replace them if they fail or die. Cheaper and better than costly battles and parking military to expand the need for superfund cleanups around the globe.
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A Russian acquaintance once explained to me that the evidence for thermal expansion was that the days length in the summertime is longer than the days length in colder winter and that the astronomical Red shift observed in the spectrum of distant fleeing stars is obvious because cars heading towards you have white lights, but those moving away have red lights.

Trump that.
I am sure that a little careful reading of Donald's missives would do so.
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Old 09-02-2019, 18:43   #18
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At the end of the day no matter how many russian ships come to support Va. They want no real beef with the US as the US could launch multiple attacks from so many directions they would have no idea where to strike back the russian ships would last mere minutes. The russians know this an the US knows the russian know this. So let the russians enjoy the warm tropics for the winter and they go home nothing to see here.
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Old 09-02-2019, 18:59   #19
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Russian ships in the Caribbean? I hope they have their boatus membership up to date otherwise their tow bill on their next breakdown could cost a fortune.
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Venezuela? All the news that's fit to print and some that's not ...
https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+Ne...rica/Venezuela

Pretty good news source all round...
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Could be just some saber rattling, some countries like to do that when they get a chance.
Like the US threatening to invade Venezuela?
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At the end of the day no matter how many russian ships come to support Va. They want no real beef with the US as the US could launch multiple attacks from so many directions they would have no idea where to strike back the russian ships would last mere minutes. The russians know this an the US knows the russian know this. So let the russians enjoy the warm tropics for the winter and they go home nothing to see here.
Maybe. But Russian military technology is advancing at a very fast rate. From what I read they are ahead of the US in some areas. The US military budget is ten times the size of Russias BUT the Russians have been very pointed with where they spend it, they seem to be way ahead in the world of hypersonic missile systems . Also remember Russia and China are quite close these days, your enemy is my enemy type of thing. I'm sure US dominance is quite as strong as it once was.......tbe worlds changing, as it always does.
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Like the US threatening to invade Venezuela?
Pretty dumb behaviour.... you would have thought the US would have learnt a lesson by now....

All talk like that does is give Maduro more ammo.... nobody likes being threatened regardless of who their leader is..

leave them alone... they will sort themselves out...
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Pretty dumb behaviour.... you would have thought the US would have learnt a lesson by now....

All talk like that does is give Maduro more ammo.... nobody likes being threatened regardless of who their leader is..

leave them alone... they will sort themselves out...
Absolutely, the trail of misery left when this path is taken is such a tragedy. I'm not sure there's much evidence of much good coming out of it. It's hard (for me) not to be a cynic regarding motives.

Let's hope that the US, Russia and China keep out of it.
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Absolutely, the trail of misery left when this path is taken is such a tragedy. I'm not sure there's much evidence of much good coming out of it. It's hard (for me) not to be a cynic regarding motives.

Let's hope that the US, Russia and China keep out of it.
Not forgetting the EU who brought so many Socio/Economic benefits to Libya.
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Not forgetting the EU who brought so many Socio/Economic benefits to Libya.
Yep!... It's criminal, or should be.
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At the end of the day no matter how many russian ships come to support Va. They want no real beef with the US as the US could launch multiple attacks from so many directions they would have no idea where to strike back the russian ships would last mere minutes. The russians know this an the US knows the russian know this. So let the russians enjoy the warm tropics for the winter and they go home nothing to see here.

ahahahaaa, it is obvious that you are watching to many Hollywood movies.
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Not a reader of this site, just stumbled across it.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...-to-chase.html
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Yes, Isn't Socialism just great? Another failed attempt to add to the list that ends in human misery (except for the ruling class).
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Yes, Isn't Socialism just great? Another failed attempt to add to the list that ends in human misery (except for the ruling class).
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