The (Official) "Lets Bash the Nina Thread" - sponsored by Bazzer :-)

[captain58sailin]

Talk to me about my sextant, when all of your electronic gee gaws break down.

[highseas]

Nothing wrong with wood boats,I like them,but no I would not go to sea in an 85yr old one.100 years ago it was a necesity,now we have a choice,thanks to aerospace industry.Different boats for different folks.Refinishing wood constantly is not my idea of cruising.

[highseas]

You guys are funny,all this has been about is why didn't they send a distress signal,where are they?Well guess what,its those modern devices we use to track them in the first place.You don't pull out your sextant.Its those same devices that may have or could have saved them.Thats what we rely on.Its called safety gear, and starts with a sound watertight hull.

[captain58sailin]

Point being, if you are cast adrift on a sea of uncertainty, and the little battery on your GPS, EPIRB goes dead, you may have to rely on yourself to get home, hence the sextant and knowing how to use it. Capt. Bligh managed to sail a great distance after being marooned on a life boat post mutiny. While he is infamous for his people management skills, you have to respect his ability to bring it home with very finite resources.
Obviously, you have to keep more water outside the boat than you let in or you will develop negative buoyancy.

[model 10]

Originally Posted by captain58sailin

Point being, if you are cast adrift on a sea of uncertainty, and the little battery on your GPS, EPIRB goes dead, you may have to rely on yourself to get home, hence the sextant and knowing how to use it. Capt. Bligh managed to sail a great distance after being marooned on a life boat post mutiny. While he is infamous for his people management skills, you have to respect his ability to bring it home with very finite resources.
Obviously, you have to keep more water outside the boat than you let in or you will develop negative buoyancy.

They let that so and so keep his sextant his watch and his tables? That was stupid.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Guy

They let that so and so keep his sextant his watch and his tables? That was stupid.

Tongue in cheek or serious comment?????

[model 10]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Tongue in cheek or serious comment?????

Depends on your point of view.

[highseas]

A sextant can be useful equipment for sure,in moderate conditions.In a gale in winter,sails shredded,seaworthiness compromised,possibly sinking,in 2013.I doubt you would be reaching for the sextant.To run out of batteries for multiple spare gps is poor planning.A faulty Epirb is bad luck.

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

Set up simply in order to leave the existing Nina thread alone / for constructive comments:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ml#post1279810

So, "Lets Bash the Nina" - or as it's also known:

1. Learning from the experiences of others.
2. Working through options and solutions
3. Monday night quarterbacking.
4. Armchair sailing (with and without bucket ).
5. Kicking someone when they are down.
6. Pretending that self is a lot smarter by criticising others.

Me likes to do 1. and 3.........but likely I stray into others .

a wood boat, thats like a loaded gun in a toddlers hands!!!

did i get the spirit of it?

[Nauticatarcher]

Originally Posted by captain58sailin

Point being, if you are cast adrift on a sea of uncertainty, and the little battery on your GPS, EPIRB goes dead, you may have to rely on yourself to get home, hence the sextant and knowing how to use it. Capt. Bligh managed to sail a great distance after being marooned on a life boat post mutiny. While he is infamous for his people management skills, you have to respect his ability to bring it home with very finite resources.
Obviously, you have to keep more water outside the boat than you let in or you will develop negative buoyancy.

You dont need a sextant to find Australia sailing from NZ, a compass or just follow the sun will do.

[Mr B]

I believe Capt Cook missed Australia the first time around, coming from NZ, But he didnt know Australia was there at the time,

[minaret]

Originally Posted by Guy

Depends on your point of view.

Did you know Bligh was Cook's First on one of his most important voyages of discovery? Or that he fought with distinction as Post at Camperdown and other major battles? The world as we know it might be a different place without him. Christian and the mutineer families did him dirty by blacking his name forever. He was undeniably a queer fellow, and no joy to serve under, but compared to some of the thundering terrors who walked a quarterdeck in his time he was meek as a mouse. Which is probably what really led to his troubles, poor relationship management. He did no better as Governor in Australia. Poor "Breadfruit Bligh" should get more respect, he might have been a poor people manager, but he was a larger than life figure in many other ways. We can't all be popular and well liked, but that doesn't mean we can't still produce amazing results! Cook thought Bligh one of his finest protégés.



By the way, has anyone else noticed that this thread has the greatest tag ever?

[Nauticatarcher]

Originally Posted by Mr B

I believe Capt Cook missed Australia the first time around, coming from NZ, But he didnt know Australia was there at the time,

I beleive you might be wrong red line is his first voyage

[minaret]

Originally Posted by Nauticatarcher

I beleive you might be wrong red line is his first voyage

Don't forget Cook spent years charting the treacherous coast of eastern Canada before his generally recognized three voyages began. Bligh was a middy under him during this period. It was his amazing skill as a cartographer which got him selected to lead his voyages of discovery, not his navigation. His logs make fascinating reading. Banks of course must also be read for the other side of the story. Amazing how many men who voyaged with Cook later became prominent figures, from Bligh to Keppel.

[ShaunJ]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

I find it ridiculous that we can not discuss the Nina topic. Its Thought Police. We should be able to pose ideas that help us all in our own safety.

I might not agree with Bazzer but he has been the only person with the guts to speak up.

If it was me out there you would be critically analysing every decision I had made (including my boat!) and if in doing so you save lives then thats what is important.

Those that are lost at sea in all disasters since time immemorial are remembered for what they have taught succeeding generations of sailors.

[FONT=Verdana]If trying to save lives is armchair quaterbacking (sounds like some gay romp?) then lets al
There are some excellent minds on this forum and people with a vast knowledge of an area that international cruisers use for the first time comming from the Pacific islands and to and from Australia. (Remember that devestating northbound transit from NZ to Tonga in the early 1990's?) Theres lots for us to learn!


Mark

No truer words have been spoken. Thanks Mark
Bty, you bet your a** if you had gone down we would have armchaired the entire event and blamed the Bene.