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bazzer · 21-08-2013, 20:49

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Originally Posted by nova13

https://www.facebook.com/groups/337129576416954/ one of the images found on the satellite pages from Aug 4 provided by tomnod.com for crowd resourced searching online. this woman is a friend who unpixillated the image using a Microsoft programme on her home computer. Apparently identifed as exactly the model carried by Nina. If any of you can help persuade NZ and Oz to send an Orion or two to help with the donation-funded twin engine Cessna searching off Norfolk Island ... compelling or what ?? Please help.

Let's keep you begging for money posts out of this, you sound remarkably like the equasearch person with a new name. There is no way your"friend" could identify the type of liferaft from the resolution of the Tomnod images.

nova13 · 21-08-2013, 21:36

Bazzer .. I did withdraw my post on your Nina Bashing thread when more info was posted about those images after I posted here .. I am nothing to do with anyone in Texas .. I am but a baby sailor and I live quietly north of Auckland in New Zealand. I did search quite a few hundred square kms of ocean under the tomnod crowd resourcesatellite images .. it was, and is fascinating, and if miracles can occur, it will be successful. The finding of the image of what is very likely their life raft was amazing fortune. I apologise for posting incorrect info and forgetting to change it on this thread as well.

Why would I want your money ? Maybe I should send you some to soften that tough old heart maybe ?

nova13 · 21-08-2013, 21:39

p.s. Bazzer .. if you read my first post it referred only to asking government help. I did not defile your sacred bashing space asking for any private financial help.

bazzer · 21-08-2013, 21:41

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Originally Posted by nova13

Bazzer .. I did withdraw my post on your Nina Bashing thread when more info was posted about those images after I posted here .. I am nothing to do with anyone in Texas .. I am but a baby sailor and I live quietly north of Auckland in New Zealand. I did search quite a few hundred square kms of ocean under the tomnod crowd resourcesatellite images .. it was, and is fascinating, and if miracles can occur, it will be successful. The finding of the image of what is very likely their life raft was amazing fortune. I apologise for posting incorrect info and forgetting to change it on this thread as well.

Why would I want your money ? Maybe I should send you some to soften that tough old heart maybe ?

Thanks for the offer of cash, but no thanks. I too have spent a lot of time searching on Tomnod, I wish that they would at least show were approx I was looking, why keep it such a big secret? Tomnod is not a charity so there is money involved in it somewhere

bazzer · 21-08-2013, 21:48

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Originally Posted by nova13

p.s. Bazzer .. if you read my first post it referred only to asking government help. I did not defile your sacred bashing space asking for any private financial help.

This is not my thread, I'm just involved in the subject line. But there is to much politics and religion creeping to the original thread. I'm NOT a believer, my son just lost a friend and I lost a old friend to the "will of somebody's god" in the last few days so I feel a loss but no prayers I'm afraid. So I try to be practical and realistic on the matter and try to post some helpful I put when I can.
Forget all that ****, here comes Mungo .....Mel Brooks.....Blazing Saddles

nova13 · 21-08-2013, 21:56

well, in your Blazing Saddles theme, best we remember Monsieur Petard !! sorry for your losses .. sorrowful truth that none of us will get out alive.

**minaret** · 21-08-2013, 23:17

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Originally Posted by nova13

Bazzer .. I did withdraw my post on your Nina Bashing thread when more info was posted about those images after I posted here .. I am nothing to do with anyone in Texas .. I am but a baby sailor and I live quietly north of Auckland in New Zealand. I did search quite a few hundred square kms of ocean under the tomnod crowd resourcesatellite images .. it was, and is fascinating, and if miracles can occur, it will be successful. The finding of the image of what is very likely their life raft was amazing fortune. I apologise for posting incorrect info and forgetting to change it on this thread as well.

Why would I want your money ? Maybe I should send you some to soften that tough old heart maybe ?

"Amazing fortune" wouldn't begin to describe it. Life raft manufacterers design their rafts for a 72 hour service life standard. Their explanation for why? That is your maximum amount of life expectancy in one of their rafts, according to them. They all come with survival equipment for the designed occupancy for 72 hours. Any more requires a proper ditch bag at least. Read "Adrift" for a taste of what would be required to keep a raft afloat that long. I believe the author spent many hours each day bailing, patching, and pumping air. He did the math, to the tune of millions of strokes. Extremely unlikely a raft could make it this long.

David_Old_Jersey · 22-08-2013, 01:24

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Originally Posted by bazzer

Thanks for the offer of cash, but no thanks. I too have spent a lot of time searching on Tomnod, I wish that they would at least show were approx I was looking , why keep it such a big secret ? Tomnod is not a charity so there is money involved in it somewhere

I had a go at it and found that frustrating

. Being generous I guess they are simply not used to dealing with folks who can understand Lat & Long

.

In regard to the money thing, no idea what the cost is - but everything costs, otherwise it is not available. Whether the Tomnod is worth the money is another thing.....but if straws is all you have, then straws it is........

nova13 · 22-08-2013, 02:39

It's the first time tomnod has been used to search an ocean ... their site has been overloaded several times but they are helping as best they can in a way that is innovative and some of it making it up as it goes. Anorther time I am sure everyone will be able to see the lat and longtitude as they search .. but for goodness sake, give some credit where credit is due.

Read their website for a search they conducted in the Andes when two of their climbing friends were missing .. I think, maybe naively on my part, they know what it is to have friends missing. It needs a a miracle, no doubt about it. Not the whole world is as cynical as some of things I have read here recently ... why would 6000 people worldwide at no cost spend time and download allowances to search thousands of satellite images of blue ocean ..... because some people genuinely wish to help, nothing more.

let's see how tomorrow is.

bazzer · 22-08-2013, 06:48

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Originally Posted by nova13

It's the first time tomnod has been used to search an ocean ... their site has been overloaded several times but they are helping as best they can in a way that is innovative and some of it making it up as it goes. Anorther time I am sure everyone will be able to see the lat and longtitude as they search .. but for goodness sake, give some credit where credit is due.

Read their website for a search they conducted in the Andes when two of their climbing friends were missing .. I think, maybe naively on my part, they know what it is to have friends missing. It needs a a miracle, no doubt about it. Not the whole world is as cynical as some of things I have read here recently ... why would 6000 people worldwide at no cost spend time and download allowances to search thousands of satellite images of blue ocean ..... because some people genuinely wish to help, nothing more.

let's see how tomorrow is.

Whilst I have been using Tomnod as well what is your relationship to the site? I believe the original owners have now sold the site. They state there images come from various sources. I for one would like to know what I'm looking at, where it is and where the images came from. Unreasonable ?
I would also like to see their business model out of interest, maybe they are mining for email addresses.

sharkbait2035 · 22-08-2013, 07:57

the latest news on an NZ site lists costs at $20k per day to continue the flight search.... I know its hard to accept the loss of a loved one, I lost my 21yr old brother a few years back, but the reality is, that money would be much better spent trying to educate people so that they can be better prepared themselves... or how many sat phones would it buy? they could give them away to sailors if they wanted, the list is endless, but flying circles 2 months after the fact is not helping... maybe I'm wrong.....

goboatingnow · 22-08-2013, 10:22

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nova13
https://www.facebook.com/groups/337129576416954/ one of the images found on the satellite pages from Aug 4 provided by tomnod.com for crowd resourced searching online. this woman is a friend who unpixillated the image using a Microsoft programme on her home computer. Apparently identifed as exactly the model carried by Nina. If any of you can help persuade NZ and Oz to send an Orion or two to help with the donation-funded twin engine Cessna searching off Norfolk Island ... compelling or what ?? Please help.

i understand this claim has been withdrawn

dave

Friend of Nina · 22-08-2013, 10:28

That is not good, making people there is something when not!!
Cherie

tom1263 · 22-08-2013, 10:42

It is a tragedy, but I think we have to accept that Nina is overdue since June 4th. A long time. Nina was purchased in 1988 and certainly well equipped and in good conditions.