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Old 20-10-2024, 05:03   #16
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Re: The Americas Cup..

Emirates Team New Zealand [“Taihoro”] are the first team, in modern history [since 1983], to win the cup, three times in succession, adding to wins, in Bermuda [2017], and in Auckland [2021].

The America’s Cup was born some four decades before the modern Olympic Games. Queen Victoria was in attendance, when the schooner “America” bested the Royal Yacht Squadron, in the first regatta, in 1851.
The Americans held the cup, until its incredible 132-year run ended, in 1983, at the hands of the Australians. The Swiss have won it twice, and the Kiwis five times overall, after first winning it in 1995, and again in 2000.
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Old 25-10-2024, 07:57   #17
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I don’t understand the negativity, I agree with fxykty, these boats are doing exactly what we all do, they’re just doing it at massively higher speeds which means you have to think more quickly and differently.

To say it’s not sailing is flat out wrong, you may not like it but I think you’re just a bunch of crotchety old gits who don’t like change

I actually think that fleet racing is intrinsically more interesting than match racing anyway, regardless of what boats, (compare the 40s finals with the qualys and semis) so I also think the AC40 racing was a better watch than the 75s.

Overall, it’s great and will watch next time
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I think what is amazing is that a small and geographically isolated country with only 5 million people, and a GDP a mere fraction of the others, can be so successful in such a highly technical and expensive sport. Truly a modern David and Goliath story of inspiration and tenacity.

Well done, Team New Zealand.
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Perhaps the lack of media attention has something to do with their focus on the bizarre election
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Call me a troglodyte if it suits you, but I miss the twelves. I'll probably be criticized for my nostalgia, but it took real seamanship and teamwork to compete in a twelve meter monohull.


Give me open ocean racing, and everything that implies.


The foiling cats are the yachting world's version of drag racers.


Question: How long do you think one of them would survive outside the breakwater?


Answer: No one in his right mind would even try.
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Call me a troglodyte if it suits you, but I miss the twelves. I'll probably be criticized for my nostalgia, but it took real seamanship and teamwork to compete in a twelve meter monohull.


Give me open ocean racing, and everything that implies.


The foiling cats are the yachting world's version of drag racers.


Question: How long do you think one of them would survive outside the breakwater?


Answer: No one in his right mind would even try.

Will you now ask an iceboat to go outside a breakwater. And call it a no-good when it will not ?


Optimists are not built to cross oceans. Neither are Bavarias.


AC boats are designed to race in protected waters, FAST. They do this very well.


Sure the event is boring and it seems more boring each time it is being pushed more inshore by the organizers. So perhaps this is all about those organizers rather than about those boats. I mean the event being a non-event.


To end on a brighter note : the VG starts in about a fortnight. You will see boats that are capable of sailing outside the breakwater there and women and man to match. Ask the French how they do it. For they sure know better than AC organisers.



PS 40 IMOCAS will be on the startline this time (I think this may be a record number).
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To end on a brighter note : the VG starts in about a fortnight. You will see boats that are capable of sailing outside the breakwater there and women and man to match. Ask the French how they do it. For they sure know better than AC organisers.

PS 40 IMOCAS will be on the startline this time (I think this may be a record number).
The IMOCAs are now "foilers". The rules now prohibit older IMOCA [Open] 60 from competing, with 2008 generation boats being the oldest, allowed to compete.

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I think what is amazing is that a small and geographically isolated country with only 5 million people, and a GDP a mere fraction of the others, can be so successful in such a highly technical and expensive sport. Truly a modern David and Goliath story of inspiration and tenacity.

Well done, Team New Zealand.
Not to take anything away from this significant accomplishment, but I don't think that this was really a "New Zealand" victory. I am under the impression that there are no rules that require the crew to be from the yacht club's country; not sure about the NZ team, but most of the other teams are a hodge podge of nationalities. And doesn't most of their funding come from Emirates Airlines? The only rule that is in the Deed of Gift that they can't get around is that it has to be a yacht club -- not a country or a corporate team -- that challenges for the Cup. Everything else is decided by the Defender.
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Re: The Americas Cup..

If they want tot make the Cup interesting again - simply require all entries to sail the exact same boat - then the contest truly becomes one of seamanship and superior tactics.

For my money the exact same boats should be the J boat or exact copies of the Ranger

The boats they are racing today don't interest me in the slightest
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Well, I will go against the flow and say I loved it. Listening to the chat form within the boats and knowing a few of the competitors previosuly, they are racing just like any other boat. Yes, there are differences, but they are effectively doing the same thing. One of the big differences is that mistake in boat handling equate to a big penalty on the course, so clean boat work is very important. This was very evident in the 40's racing where the fastest did not necessarily get on the podium. I think the Kiwi's generally outsailed the Poms in the end and very much deserved the win.
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Not to take anything away from this significant accomplishment, but I don't think that this was really a "New Zealand" victory. I am under the impression that there are no rules that require the crew to be from the yacht club's country; not sure about the NZ team, but most of the other teams are a hodge podge of nationalities. And doesn't most of their funding come from Emirates Airlines? The only rule that is in the Deed of Gift that they can't get around is that it has to be a yacht club -- not a country or a corporate team -- that challenges for the Cup. Everything else is decided by the Defender.
Ummm, no, there are rules regarding team composition (management, sailing, design, build, operations, etc) and the basic one is 3-year residence prior to the start of the Cup racing. In the case of Team NZ, more so than most others, the vast, overwhelming majority of members of Team NZ are NZ born and bred, some are long term residents and only a few like Nathan Outteridge are 3-year NZ residents.

Regarding funding, Team NZ has approximately 20 primary cash sponsors and Emirates Airlines is one of the larger funding sources but I believe the City of Barcelona was the single largest funding source. But the sponsorship funding is of course separate from Team NZ management and doesn’t dilute the NZ nature of the team.
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The IMOCAs are now "foilers". The rules now prohibit older IMOCA [Open] 60 from competing, with 2008 generation boats being the oldest, allowed to compete.

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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vend%C...5#Participants


Now (at least 12) are the old school daggerboard boats. And about the same number are pre-2008. Maybe the organiser eased the condition a bit in the process.



The interesting twist is that there are 2 brand new (2022 and 2023) non-foilers and from a great designer (the guy behind Mini TeamWork - the round bow boat) and from a great boatyard (Perisco - the people behind Prada Luna Rosa).


And not just that. One of the new non-foilers will be sailed by Jean Le Cam. (!)


So there is a lot expected to happen. Big emotions, big seas, big damage and big speeds.


Can't wait. 11 days to go.


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