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Idylles15.5 · 07-12-2011, 20:48

I'm watching the O Reilly factor right now and at the same time reading these posts. On the factor they just showed some women using her eight year old son to put her agenda across to Boxer about gay moms. I thought that was a disgrace until I read some of these posts. As someone who grew up on the North Shore of Long Island and belonged to a Waspy yacht club I do know what snobby sailboat a-holes sound like. In fact the younger members couldn't wait for some of the old farts to croak so we could actually have some fun. Everyone of you who don't get Latts and attts and are bashing it are the same stuck up jerks who give sailors just that label. Snobs who think they are better boaters then power boaters and eveybody else. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. The magazine was fun and wasn't trying to push a social or political agenda. Articles by cruisers for cruisers and stories about where they went and how to get there. I'm so sick of the so called info mags. Do you really need to be told how to fix a through hull fitting again or how to bleed an injector. If you do then your not half the sailor I bet most of the blue collar beer drinking motor head sailors are out there who can fix anything in a crisis. I happen to come from civil war blue blood family and I can tell you that I have chosen to hang out with the real people out there who actually help their friends in a jam. I have always found that people who think they have class and money usually choose to help by throwing money at a problem instead of actually helping. Kinda like Limo Liberals. Give me and honest mag with the bad spelling and all and real people any day over the pretentious ********. Bob Bitchen actually took the time to personally respond to a post of mine on Latts and Atts when I was pissed about not being let back into the Stone concert at the Conn boat show. I later read that his daughter had just passed. I felt horrible about even complaining at that point, and how petty it was compared to what he was going through. Yet he took the time to offer to buy me a beer at the next show. You tell me what other publisher / owner of any other magazine would do that. Kewl Kewl Kewl Kewl Buffet Buffet Buffet. Oh sorry about the spelling thats BUFFETT ********.

LoveMyWoodie · 07-12-2011, 21:09

"I'm watching the O Reilly factor right now..."

Guess that says it all...

Too bad everyone cant get long as human beings and think before we speak.

This whole thread shows how North America and the system are toast.

An embarrassment really...bunch of little kids who never grew up...

Everyone needs to go look at the man in the mirror,

Any idiot can criticize....

Next ?

Idylles15.5 · 07-12-2011, 21:15

Sorry I'm not brain washed like you pal.

Ironhorse74 · 07-12-2011, 21:40

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Originally Posted by LoveMyWoodie

"I'm watching the O Reilly factor right now..."

Guess that says it all...

Too bad everyone cant get long as human beings and think before we speak.

This whole thread shows how North America and the system are toast.

An embarrassment really...bunch of little kids who never grew up...

Everyone needs to go look at the man in the mirror,

Any idiot can criticize....

Next ?

You mean like you just criticized everyone who watches the O'Reilly Factor? Pot, kettle, black

Have a great day

kaimusailing · 07-12-2011, 21:51

Wow!
I wrote to L&A and got a reply. It's not going to change much. The crew there is hard pressed to put out an issue like they do. The selling of marine gear and organizing all that they do is work. Bob and Jody are good people and they've done a lot to get jerks like me to consider going out to sea and actually...Gulp, should I say it, Go Sailing!, and I have to thank them for that. I've read a lot of their magazines, mostly free, but if I get one or two awful badly written articles, I read them anyway. There might be something there that I can use. I'm glad that they will still get to do what they do and let someone else worry about the consequences.
Compare reading an edited magazine to reading an unedited forum (sorry admin), and a lot less time is spent hearing about some bashing back and forth than some maybe useful information.
I've written a few embarrassing nautical narratives that they published. What did I get? A L&A burgee to fly. I went to the west coast with an L&A hat on and no one nodded or acknowledged it. It was useless. What I wrote was probably not useful to anyone on this forum, but if you were a newbie and didn't know about it, it was useful. I will continue to send out such stuff, because when I was starting out, I didn't have funny little stories about how a mouse could ruin your cruise.
I really like Tania Aebi's reflections and Captn Woodie's yacht delivery stories. There is a lot of experience and insight in about two pages for each. Hard to do. I always look for a certain blue boat in the classifieds, even though they run many pages, twice. Maybe I'll see Aku there, the little blue sloop that should still be sailing and maybe on the market.
If another L&A came up, I would go over it like a mutt in a McDonald's drive through.
I want to know how to get off my dock, gybe around, down the inlet inspite of the powerboats and jetski's, and go out, down the bay, click in the auto pilot, shut off the radio, and get down to Wiloughby Bay. Then out to sea.

bstreep · 08-12-2011, 08:16

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Originally Posted by Idylles15.5

I'm watching the O Reilly factor right now and at the same time reading these posts. On the factor they just showed some women using her eight year old son to put her agenda across to Boxer about gay moms.

Really? You confused Barbara Boxer with Michelle Bachmann? That's like calling it Port instead of Starboard! Actually it's EXACTLY like that.

I subscribed to L & A for at least a year - maybe 2. Just because I didn't like it doesn't make me an a-hole. I mean, I AM an a-hole, but not because of this!

S/V Alchemy · 08-12-2011, 09:12

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Originally Posted by Ironhorse74

Yeah really no reputable company would ever use sex to push their product.

Hey, at least porn mags (are there still porn mags?) are upfront about it. Quite upfront, I would say.

**sneuman** · 08-12-2011, 09:39

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Originally Posted by Idylles15.5

Everyone of you who don't get Latts and attts and are bashing it are the same stuck up jerks who give sailors just that label. Snobs who think they are better boaters then power boaters and eveybody else. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Nothing like a little (or a lot) of hyperbole to go along with "da Factor". I'm not elitist. A bit of mispelling, a misplaced word here and there, a paucity of punctuation -- they don't bother me much. It's the lack of anything resembling a paragraph that's the real killer. Paragraphs, paragraphs, paragraphs. I can still hear Ms. Gerig from my public elementary school in Indiana.

David_Old_Jersey · 08-12-2011, 09:54

I would subscribe to Latts & Atts - but they don't do a version in Latin.

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Originally Posted by sneuman

Nothing like a little (or a lot) of hyperbole to go along with "da Factor". I'm not elitist. A bit of mispelling, a misplaced word here and there, a paucity of punctuation -- they don't bother me much. It's the lack of anything resembling a paragraph that's the real killer. Paragraphs, paragraphs, paragraphs. I can still hear Ms. Gerig from my public elementary school in Indiana.

I still remember the advice given by my English Teacher (Mr Nutter - really!)......take the time this year to neaten your handwriting and you will be glad later. 3 guess how that went

colemj · 08-12-2011, 12:12

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Originally Posted by Jim Cate

I had to think about this for a while. So I sipped my pricey wine (4 litre box Shiraz), listened to some music (blues, not opera) and wondered just what elitist group I belonged to... besides not particularly liking the L&A mag under discussion. I pondered...

And then it came to me: YES! I do belong to an elite group... those who are actually out cruising, and who have been for long enough to develop our own ideas about life, anchoring and the pursuit of happiness.

So, guilty as charged... damn, I had never thought about it like that!

Cheers,

Jim

*snort*, *choke*, *spit*, *gasp*

Mark

Sailor g · 08-12-2011, 12:44

Does the Red Neck Yacht Club count as elitist?

**boatman61** · 08-12-2011, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Sailor g

Does the Red Neck Yacht Club count as elitist?

If it aint got a 'Tiki Bar'.... YES

**sarafina** · 08-12-2011, 13:11

The tone of conversation in this thread is deteriorating rapidly. Please refrain from insults, obscenities and hyperbole.

I really am not in the mood to clean up the not polite stuff.

Thanks.