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26-05-2013, 05:48
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Long Range Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
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Originally Posted by Palarran
What would be interesting is to discuss why the videos of gales and storms and big, breaking waves look completely tame once viewed on a screen.
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Its to do with reference point and stereo vision.
First, put the camera on a tripod and sit it in the cockpit and you will see a view that is better, but unusable because the audience will put their heads on the side to try and level it. When you take the camera off the tripod you do the same, again stuffing the image.
secondly Stereo Vision is a lot more exact than one could normally believe. Our eyes are really a most magical pice of evolution that just cant be replicated with man made devices, let a lone a single lens device.
Go on deck and close one eye and the waves will look comepletely different.
Remember also that when you look 'up' at a big wave your own boat is probably going 'up' a wave so your stern is low and it appears you are looking at a much larger wave.
But if you cant video waves dont worry. Neither can Hollywood!
So just make other things the subject instead of the waves
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26-05-2013, 06:50
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Elvish meaning 'Far-Wanderer'
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Boat - Greece - Me - Michigan
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
Good morning Mark,
I had read once it was due to the blues of the water not showing the depth of field, or something like that. Regardless, you have to have noticed when people upload utube videos of "sailing in storm conditions" it looks like a normal cruising day. Even mine, afterward, looks fairly benign.
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26-05-2013, 06:54
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: South Pacific
Boat: Oyster 53
Posts: 359
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
MarkJ,
Actually, I thought your video was pretty good. 1) it was interesting because it was real, 2) the wind sound wasn't too bad and we can hear your voice clearly, and 3) you shaved and had combed your hair...
Good job.
DHillen
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26-05-2013, 07:57
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#19
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Long Range Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
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Originally Posted by Palarran
Even mine, afterward, looks fairly benign.
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Yes, looks like a lovely day!
Note the position in most of the shots of the life lines. they move up and down in the shot. A tripod will fix your frame. Try that and have the horizon in the center of frame and a fixed point on the boat in the bottom of frame. Have the tripod set as low as you can.
Remember that ALL camera work on TV and movies the camera is held by something. Either a tripod, a crane, stedicam or some tricky bit of kit. No one hand holds camers. Theres gotta be a reason for that! (Only news gathering is by hand held camera, and thats only in action reporting, the rest is on tripod)
Other sugestion is instead of one long shot edit together the 4 or five biggest waves and leave the small stuff out.
Having the crew comment why shooting would help, plus some conventions that work... like set up some bottles to slide in the galley, a crew member trying to grab some hold etc.
I dont really remember Perfectt Storm movie very well, but the computer egnerated waves looked sh!t, so to show the waves were big the kept deluging the cast in buckets of water. You could try that to the ponce in the helm seat!
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27-05-2013, 09:58
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
I'm a little critical because I try to make my own videos but what I've realized is that similar to photography and writing, just because you have a good idea doesn't mean you're going to do a good job at capturing it or producing it. There are writers, there are actors, there are videographers, and there are producers. Sailors try to do all jobs with no real effort at understanding the process.
It's why most blogs are boring and pictures are bland: you actually need to be good at it.
It's one reason I take a lot of photos, make a lot of videos, and write a lot. If I keep it up, hopefully in fifteen years I won't suck as bad as I do today.
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27-05-2013, 10:06
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,594
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
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Originally Posted by Kenomac
Can you make my boat look like these?
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You're not satisfied with your Oyster 53?????
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09-06-2013, 11:24
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: mumbai
Boat: Fisher-25 motorsailer
Posts: 271
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
I used to be a 'sailor' once :-) This is a small motivational video i shot on running titled 'by the seaside'
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29-06-2013, 14:20
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Houston, TX
Boat: Beneteau 461 47'
Posts: 927
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
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Originally Posted by JJ Christenson
Would like some pro tips on how to make better sailor videos.
Im currently using gopro in a housing which prevents to much wind noise.
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We did this whole video with a GoPro Hero 2.. the trick is to turn down the video volume when editing and then muffle the rest with hipperdy-dapperdy annoying music .. ;-)
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29-06-2013, 15:21
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Wash DC
Boat: PETERSON 44
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Sometimes the picture taking needs to not happen and we just remember and tell the story.
Yesterday I anchored/ hid from storms. A small Really well protected cove. Found ourselves amidst a large school of rays. No one got a camera all afternoon we enjoyed watching and no one filmed it. We were so enjoying the action we just forgot we needed to face share and film our amusement. It went on well into the night with rays bubbling up, wakes on the surface fins and thrashing sounds in the water.
I got out a high output light and lit up the water. For a short period. We saw snakes, rays and feeder fish. I don't need to film my every moment. We had a real treat having that many rays in the cove. Great memories.
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29-06-2013, 15:54
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: W Florida
Boat: Still have the 33yo Jon boat. But now a CATAMARAN. Nice little 18' Bay Cat.
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
I like yours Mark.
My little camera - Olympus stylus 850. I taped several things over the little mic hole. No difference in wind noise.
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29-06-2013, 16:03
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Washington State
Boat: Colvin, Saugeen Witch (Aluminum), 34'
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
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Originally Posted by rebel heart
I'm a little critical because I try to make my own videos but what I've realized is that similar to photography and writing, just because you have a good idea doesn't mean you're going to do a good job at capturing it or producing it. There are writers, there are actors, there are videographers, and there are producers. Sailors try to do all jobs with no real effort at understanding the process.
It's why most blogs are boring and pictures are bland: you actually need to be good at it.
It's one reason I take a lot of photos, make a lot of videos, and write a lot. If I keep it up, hopefully in fifteen years I won't suck as bad as I do today.
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+1
P.S. Your videos do not suck.
Steve
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29-06-2013, 16:45
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Long Beach, CA
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Re: sailors and video's [sic] do not mix
The Original Poster uploaded:
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why is it people do not understand how to make them so you can enjoy them?
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Um, because they're untrained amateurs?
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29-06-2013, 16:49
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
i have yet to see anyones sailing video that is not double 0h boring. sorry, is truth. '
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30-06-2013, 08:57
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Gulf Coast Alabama
Boat: Blackwatch 19 gaff rig cat
Posts: 157
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
I wanna go sailing with UMM..! See y'all in about 3 days.... Okay...
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30-06-2013, 09:29
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Gulf Coast Alabama
Boat: Blackwatch 19 gaff rig cat
Posts: 157
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Re: sailors and video's do not mix
Here's a slide show. Sort of like a video with less frames. It tells the story in another visual format...
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