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Old 20-05-2025, 05:30   #1
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Good afternoon

Thank you for excepting me.

I stay in Port Elizabeth, South Africa.

Life story - had a very successful business for the last 20 years which we sold about 2 years ago - not a lot of time for fun.

Have always loved the ocean - fishing, boating, scuba, spearfishing.

Now I would like to take up yachting.

I am a qualified motorboat skipper, but have only been on a yacht maybe 5 times.

Long term dream/goal would be to buy a liveaboard catamaran yacht [45ft +] and spend long holidays sailing the world's destinations.

In the short term, I would like to ask the knowledgeable members - what is a good monohull yacht to start my journey on - I am not into racing, but rather cruising. Would like to buy something to start on, not break the bank and sell after maybe 2-3 years and then move on to the catamaran. Would be mostly 2-4 people.

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Old 20-05-2025, 08:30   #2
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An interesting proposition - on that coast! :-)

The majority of the "curriculum" you need to master to be a competent small boat seafarer is common to power boats and sailboats, so your motorboating experience will stand you in good stead. The actual differences in boat handling between the two modes of seafaring are to be found in the "hand, reef and steer" department, but the rudiments of that I could teach you in a long weekend aboard a boat of twenty seven or thirty feet LOA, so the task before you is not overwhelming.

But bear in mind that in a monohull of that size - a five or six ton boat - you'll be lucky to do six knots over the ground. Now, while I've never been there, something - Google Earth - tells me that to get from, say, Nelson Mandela Yacht Club to anywhere else where you can land safely is at least a ten-hour sail. And that is the crux of the matter.

So if "cruising locally" is something of an impossibility given the nature of your coast, having a "learner boat" will grow tedious quite fast because handing a sailboat in cruising mode is, unless the weather is rough and the sea running high, something of a dunce's job.

For me, at least, the joy of cruising is to be found in the places you get to. The passage between places is just a job to get done. The harder the weather, the more it's like a job you ought to get paid for! Once you are trimmed up on your point of sail it can become utterly boring. In a well-found boat, coming about is an evolution lasting but a few moments. Wearing requires a little more attention to the work, but provided that that is given, the job is completed almost before it is begun.

That being so, "learner boats" are much of a muchness. Marketing people can bloviate all they like seeking "product differentiation". There isn't really any in terms of boat handling. "Learner boats" are a commodity. It will be up to you to become sufficiently knowledgeable and "situationally aware" about the way you - you, not somebody else - do the work required to hand the boat so you can rig it to suit yourself and you "style" of working her.

The same goes for her accommodations. Some layouts work well, others don't. That a layout will work well for Joe doesn't mean that it will work well for Harry, let alone for Jane. But your motorboating experience will give you guidance.

Given the nature of your coast and its wind regime, as I understand it, you may wish to consider a pilot house "motorsailer", i.e. a boat rather heavy for her length, and fitted with a rather more powerful engine than is common, say six horsepower or so per ton displacement and with an actual wheelhouse with an inside steering position.

Let us know how you go :-)

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Old 21-05-2025, 07:37   #3
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Thanks for the detailed reply Trente, the more information the better.

I agree with you 100% with regards to your comment that the alure of yachting is the ability to visit all these beautiful destination, not necessarily the "getting there" part, although I must admit though that I love being out on the water, no need for fishing, just enjoy the peacefulness.

Having said that, the weather is mostly decent when we go out to sea on the motorboat, but with yachting the weather is not always as kind.

I was looking at something in the 36ft + range so that we can start extending our "range" so to speak as we get more comfortable with our own skills, but I am still looking around.

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Greetings, and welcome aboard the CF, Jay.

Prior to purchasing a boat, you might look into [something like] “South African Sailing”*, which offers various courses, and training opportunities, for sailors at different levels.
* https://www.sailing.org.za/courses?category=-1
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Welcome aboard! There are so many possibilities that, if it were me, I'd look around where you are to see what might be available and then if if you see a couple that catch your eye, come back and show us what you found. It is likely someone will be able to give you firsthand info on the boats.
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Welcome, GreenHorn79!

You could do worse than to check in with the Knysna Yacht Club, mate!

https://knysnayachtclub.com/inshore-sailing/

They have intro to sailing courses, or did when I was there a couple of years ago.

It's a beautiful place. Really nice people, like pretty much everyone I enountered sailing South Africa. It's also one of the most harrowing harbor entrances I've seen.

When I was passaging your coast, from Richard's Bay to Cape Town, I couldn't stop wondering what it would be like to be a cruiser in those waters. Long ways between ports, that Aghulas current to figure out if you want to go east, international fame for sporty conditions.

A guy I met in Cape Town said it best, though: "When you learn to sail here, every other place looks easy."

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