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25-05-2019, 15:21
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
The main is sewn. The problem now is to find a combination of light enough wind to untie the sail, so she can pull it forward to insert the slugs into the Strong Track, and a mild sea state with the light air. There are hams who would offer her weather advice, but I don't know if the rules for this record attempt allow that or not. Those rules are different from the around the world races ones.
Nice sunrise pics she posted.
Ann
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26-05-2019, 03:11
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
It is the Comedy net which has been running for some 20+ years now, and you would be welcome to join in. However, it is run on the 40 meter band (7.087 MHz LSB) and there is a near zero chance that there would be propagation to the USA on that frequency. The net commences at 2140 GMT 365 days of the year, and all licensed hams are welcome to join us. Our area of coverage is the SW Pacific, with most participants being in Australia or the surrounding islands.
Jeanne also comes up on Tony's net (14.315 MHz USB) at 2030 GMT), and there is some chance of hearing that in the USA, though not a really good chance for a casual listener.
As she gets further N she will likely switch to other nets, but I'm not sure of whiich ones.
Jim N9GFT/VK4GFT
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Just to listen it might be worth trying a few online sdr radios >
websdr.org
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26-05-2019, 05:30
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
For those of you wanting more info on Jeanne's status, there is a good discussion over on forums.sailinganarchy.com
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27-05-2019, 18:31
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
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Originally Posted by daletournier
It's hard for me to understand the motivation of people like her and Web Chiles, what makes them subject themselves to such challenges?
Do not take that the wrong way, I have nothing but respect for them, they are made of different stuff, much tuffer than I am.
In a world that is full of many that have unearnt success people like this lady stand tall.
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Its called adventure. Why? Because they can.
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27-05-2019, 19:33
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
From today's blog...
'Spoke to NZ Customs about possibly anchoring or picking up a buoy while doing repairs - possibly expecting some very strong wind and seas in a few days' time and still have several urgent repairs to do..'
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28-05-2019, 15:54
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
Hot of the press so to speak....
'2:25pm Just spoke to the Commodore, Kevin Murdoch, of the N.Otago Yacht and Powerboat Club in Oamaru Hbr about coming in and picking up a buoy (under sail) in the harbour sometime over the next day or so in order to get my repairs done. I've had to gain permission from both NZ Customs and Quarantine to do so. Has meant quite a lot of phoning around but finally has turned out OK - thanks to all concerned. I just have to get there first - presently almost no wind and difficult to keep a course.'
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28-05-2019, 15:58
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
Thanks for that, El Ping.
I noticed that apparently it's within Guinness' rules, as long as she picks up the mooring under sail.
Hmmm.
I hope there's room in the harbour for more than one go at it!
Ann
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28-05-2019, 16:10
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
looks not a bad place if no easterly in the wind....
One would hope that the yacht club would organise a really nice long pennant on a nicely situated buoy.....
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28-05-2019, 16:50
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
I dunno, that might be considered "assistance" , and it's supposed to be an "unassisted" great capes circumnavigation. I'm sure she'll know what is not allowed.
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28-05-2019, 17:36
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
I dunno, that might be considered "assistance" , and it's supposed to be an "unassisted" great capes circumnavigation. I'm sure she'll know what is not allowed.
Ann
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On prior 'record' voyage she stopped in San Francisco, picked up a buoy, and got her life raft replaced. This was a 'non-stop unassisted' voyage record - I always thought it was odd.
Stopping on own ground tackle should be both acceptable and required (but no buoy's). And no outside assistance, none, including no new life rafts, and no outside weather routing advise. But I don't make up these silly rules.
As I mentioned way up thread - I do think stopping hereabouts is a prudent and seamanlike thing to do.
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28-05-2019, 17:57
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
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I do think stopping hereabouts is a prudent and seamanlike thing to do.
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Agreed. But I wonder why she is not anchoring... it's much easier to anchor solo than to pick up an unknown mooring solo. And also, why not run the engine for the maneuver if using the mooring? She isn't racing... is there some "rule" that she can't motor? I know that she is limited in fuel for her gen set and may wish to reserve it for that use, but a few minutes of engine time isn't a great lot of fuel.
Her goals are so arbitrary that I find them hard to understand. None the less, if it is important to her, she should stick to them!
And good on the Kiwis for letting her do this. I doubt if it would have been permitted in the USA.
Jim
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28-05-2019, 18:45
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
World Sailing Speed Record Rules for individually attempted Passage Records or Performances Offshore.
21-i: A vessel shall sail by using only the wind and water to increase, maintain or decrease her speed, except for 21.b and 21.c. below and in exceptional circumstances which shall be reported to and get approval from WSSRC.
21-e: With or without assistance
i: 'Without assistance' means that a vessel may not receive any kind of outside assistance whatever except for 21.h. and 21. i. nor take on board any supplies (beyond the harvest of the sea), materials or equipment during an attempt. A vessel may be anchored or beached during the attempt, but any repairs must be made entirely by the crew without outside resources or materials. It is never permitted to take on board stores or equipment or get any other kind of help from another vessel whilst under way (except as 'i' Emergencies below).
etc.
The World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC) Rules ➥ https://www.sailspeedrecords.com/ind...urses-offshore
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28-05-2019, 19:08
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
Agreed. But I wonder why she is not anchoring... it's much easier to anchor solo than to pick up an unknown mooring solo.
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Without knowing any of the details or rules, that was my first thought too...
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28-05-2019, 19:30
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
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Originally Posted by GordMay
It is never permitted to take on board stores or equipment or get any other kind of help from another vessel whilst under way (except as 'i' Emergencies below
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Is she sailing under WSSRC rules? Does guinness use that rule set?
I do know she got a replacement life raft brought to her boat, while the attempt was “underway”, on previous record.
My guess is that she does not trust her anchor/anchoring. I know that was an issue in San Francisco, also I remember she did not want to have to restow anchor and rode once she got underway.
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28-05-2019, 21:20
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Re: Jeanne Socrates' "Nereida" Damaged in Record Attempt
As someone once said...
' 'Record' is a very stupid word at sea.'
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