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20-05-2021, 09:39
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by Tupaia
All a matter of degree, but the more you mess with (process) food the worse it gets.
Why not just eat the fruit with a dob of Almond yogurt.
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Because I need more calories than fruit and some yogurt (which has to be fat free and non dairy) can provide.
500+ calories
And from a practical standpoint, fresh fruit doesn’t last long enough to do that reliably. It’s all frozen fruit
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20-05-2021, 10:10
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#107
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Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: SF Bay Area
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by Chotu
Potatoes, brown rice, bread: in, but that’s getting your calories from sugar essentially. That’s what I’ve been doing but it’s high glycemic load. I’m not a diabetic type person, but figure that’s not something I want to push. I’m trying to move away from these sources of calories a bit.
It’s incredible what you can’t eat when you are on a saturated fat and sodium restricted diet, allergic to dairy and citrus (thanks epoxy) and trying to keep sugar down. There’s literally nothing left. I think that’s why I’m losing weight. My meals are like 300 calories. Can’t find enough calories before getting full.
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My take is that the data against sugar is far more compelling than the data against fats, and white sugar / white flour would be the first things I'd cut out with heart disease in play. I know there's been much back-and-forth in this space, but to at least a limited extent I think fats have been gotten a bit of a bad rap in much the same way as cholesterol did. (For most people, dietary cholesterol isn't a significant driver of blood cholesterol levels. But, for someone with heart disease, a prudent response would be to recommend reduction in case they are such a responder.)
Personally if I needed calories I'd be loading up on sardines, salmon, and eggs, as well as adding olive oil. Obviously you might want to be careful with the eggs. (insert obligatory "not a doctor" comment here)
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20-05-2021, 10:37
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#108
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Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Bush Alaska
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
I am not a dietitian or health expert, but I have spent the last couple years researching the opposite needs. (I was obese)
A couple of truths I found that are obvious but no matter how logical or obvious were hard for me to fully grasp.
1. Health and diet should be unique to the individual. What works for me may not work for you and vice versa.
2. (this was the hardest one for me to grasp) What we see and understand is not reality, it is just our perception of reality. Polar examples: When I started the journey, I would 'be careful' with what I was eating and that 'carefulness' if added up was probably a 2500-3000 calorie day. At the same time I have a friend who is a few inches over 6ft and weighs 125lbs, he wants to 'bulk up' so he eats a peanut butter sandwich at one of our coffee breaks and a protine shake at the other..... I ask him what he had for breakfast.... "a boiled egg and a glass of milk", lunch? "a frozen burrito"...... he thinks he is eating 'a lot' and is only getting in some 1000-1500 calories a day o.0 thats what I was eating during my extreme dieting loosing a couple pounds per week........ Then I ask what he is doing for exersize since he wants to 'bulk up' and he is not regularly lifting weights, but is running an hour every morning.........
My point is, we have lived our lives 'knowing' things about ourselves, our diet, our health, our exersize, our bodies, but they arent truth, they are just our perceptions and those perceptions have made us into who we are today. In order to change that, we have to change our perceptions of what is 'real'.
How does that relate to you?
You have lived your life at 150lbs so your perception on diet has always been that eating what others would consider very little is enough or a lot. The only way to change that is through religious tracking to see what you are actually eating and burning day in and day out and using those numbers to adjust what you need for your unique body and lifestyle.
My guess(and purely a guess as I am not an expert) is that at 150lbs and an active life, you had very little excess fat reserves, and as a cyclist a relatively large portion of your body weight was in your leg muscles. Having just spent a long time in recovery, those muscles have likely atrophied significantly, it isn't body fat you have lost but muscle.
Pounds is a really bad way to access health, not just because we are all geneticly different, but because we have specialized ourselves throughout our lifetime towards specific shapes.
Fat isn't bad, it is necessary for a healthy body, but too much excess can be bad. Within reasonable limits excess muscle is not unhealthy, nor is less or leaner muscle, but we need to recognize our limitations within the body type we build ourselves into....
For me losing weight, the goal was to burn fat while building muscle and transform the body type I had built up through a lifetime of bad choices. This meant low calories, high proteins, weight lifting and cardio.
For you it will obviously be different, but calories are not the only variable in the formula, you need to specifically define your goals and then track and build your diet and exercise towards achieving those goals, tweaking them as you go and are able to gather more data on their affects over time.
If you are not diabetic, then sugar isn't necessarily bad, you just don't want excess processed sugars. But if you approach it as if you were wanting to become a 'body builder' with your health restrictions, it might change your perceptions a little.... Cardio is always good for the body, but you only need enough to accomplish that, moving more of your efforts into resistance strength training may net you more benefits at least while recovering from atrophy.... High protein and carbs is not the 'diet' you have lived your life believing is healthy, but if balanced properly might be better for now at least.
I am sure if you bring it up with your doctor they would have much better insight than any of us keyboard warriors
I hope you can figure it out, get healthy and enjoy a long life on your yacht!
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20-05-2021, 15:25
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#109
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Location: Virginia
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
I am unclear if you are vegan. I see through your list of allergies that dairy is out.
But if you enjoy meat occasionally I'd suggest bison as a beef substitute. Sold in several grocery stores and offered up on menus. As well as venison (however not sold commercially, but if you have friends that hunt? Easy to obtain) Both lower in fat, and also calories because of the lower fat content, but offers a satisfying meat substitute.
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20-05-2021, 15:35
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#110
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: BC
Boat: O'Day 40
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by Tupaia
Smoothies are a really bad idea. They destroy the insoluble fibre in the ingredients. It is this fibre that makes fruit and veg a slow release food. Putting it a blender is like getting someone else to chew it for you. The result is a spike in blood sugar.
If you want protein and fibre without the bad stuff try raw mushrooms.
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Where did this idea come from?
It's hard to imagine that blending food would do more to break down dietary fibre more than masticating with molars, then passing through the acidic stomach and small intestine. Maybe the idea comes from juicing fruit?
Regarding your exercise regime, you will not get the same feedback that you used to because your meds will restrict your heart rate. Perhaps a good physiotherapist can guide this.
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20-05-2021, 16:05
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#111
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Location: Virginia
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by Narfi
I am not a dietitian or health expert, but I have spent the last couple years researching the opposite needs. (I was obese)
A couple of truths I found that are obvious but no matter how logical or obvious were hard for me to fully grasp.
1. Health and diet should be unique to the individual. What works for me may not work for you and vice versa.
2. (this was the hardest one for me to grasp) What we see and understand is not reality, it is just our perception of reality. Polar examples: When I started the journey, I would 'be careful' with what I was eating and that 'carefulness' if added up was probably a 2500-3000 calorie day. At the same time I have a friend who is a few inches over 6ft and weighs 125lbs, he wants to 'bulk up' so he eats a peanut butter sandwich at one of our coffee breaks and a protine shake at the other..... I ask him what he had for breakfast.... "a boiled egg and a glass of milk", lunch? "a frozen burrito"...... he thinks he is eating 'a lot' and is only getting in some 1000-1500 calories a day o.0 thats what I was eating during my extreme dieting loosing a couple pounds per week........ Then I ask what he is doing for exersize since he wants to 'bulk up' and he is not regularly lifting weights, but is running an hour every morning.........
My point is, we have lived our lives 'knowing' things about ourselves, our diet, our health, our exersize, our bodies, but they arent truth, they are just our perceptions and those perceptions have made us into who we are today. In order to change that, we have to change our perceptions of what is 'real'.
How does that relate to you?
You have lived your life at 150lbs so your perception on diet has always been that eating what others would consider very little is enough or a lot. The only way to change that is through religious tracking to see what you are actually eating and burning day in and day out and using those numbers to adjust what you need for your unique body and lifestyle.
My guess(and purely a guess as I am not an expert) is that at 150lbs and an active life, you had very little excess fat reserves, and as a cyclist a relatively large portion of your body weight was in your leg muscles. Having just spent a long time in recovery, those muscles have likely atrophied significantly, it isn't body fat you have lost but muscle.
Pounds is a really bad way to access health, not just because we are all geneticly different, but because we have specialized ourselves throughout our lifetime towards specific shapes.
Fat isn't bad, it is necessary for a healthy body, but too much excess can be bad. Within reasonable limits excess muscle is not unhealthy, nor is less or leaner muscle, but we need to recognize our limitations within the body type we build ourselves into....
For me losing weight, the goal was to burn fat while building muscle and transform the body type I had built up through a lifetime of bad choices. This meant low calories, high proteins, weight lifting and cardio.
For you it will obviously be different, but calories are not the only variable in the formula, you need to specifically define your goals and then track and build your diet and exercise towards achieving those goals, tweaking them as you go and are able to gather more data on their affects over time.
If you are not diabetic, then sugar isn't necessarily bad, you just don't want excess processed sugars. But if you approach it as if you were wanting to become a 'body builder' with your health restrictions, it might change your perceptions a little.... Cardio is always good for the body, but you only need enough to accomplish that, moving more of your efforts into resistance strength training may net you more benefits at least while recovering from atrophy.... High protein and carbs is not the 'diet' you have lived your life believing is healthy, but if balanced properly might be better for now at least.
I am sure if you bring it up with your doctor they would have much better insight than any of us keyboard warriors
I hope you can figure it out, get healthy and enjoy a long life on your yacht!
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I agree with much of your advice.
Everyone is different. I know a person that had a heart attack at age 35. Very active, in shape, non-smoker, moderate drinker. His cholesterol came in off tbe charts! He had his children tested, 4 in all, under age 12. All had genetically high levels of cholesterol. There are so many variances to take into account! Metabolism. Hormone levels. A person really has to work with their own "machine" that they've inherited. So there's inherited body chemistry and life choices involed. And in between you can mitigate your inherited short comings by altering your life choices. But it's truely a maze!
The person that I mentioned initially reacted the same as you. But once he started educating himself became more relaxed in his diet.
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20-05-2021, 16:30
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#112
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Location: Virginia
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
Sorry for my run on of thoughts. But also cosider consulting an allergist. Food allergies often change throughtout life. Abstain from a food for 3-5 years and gradually reintroduce. This has worked for me as well as 2 of my children. It's really inexplicable, but they change. Once allergic to peanuts, now not, but allergic different pollens. It's a maze.
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20-05-2021, 16:38
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#113
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Australia
Boat: BUILT!!! Roberts Mauritius 43ft
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by Tupaia
All a matter of degree, but the more you mess with (process) food the worse it gets.
Why not just eat the fruit with a dob of Almond yogurt.
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Whenever we mess with nature we stuff up " the more you mess with (process) food the worse it gets".
Processed meats
"An observational study suggests there is a link between consuming 25 grams (g) of processed meat per day — which amounts to around one rasher of bacon — and a 44% higher risk of dementia".29 Mar 202
Artificial sweeteners
"A 2017 study published in the journal Stroke concluded that “higher cumulative intake of artificially sweetened soft drinks were associated with an increased risk of ischemic stroke, all-cause dementia and Alzheimer's disease- dementia.”22 Mar 2021
Refined Carbs (white bread, white rice, white flour, pastries, sugary foods and many breakfast cereals)
"Eating refined carbs is linked to drastically increased risk of many diseases, including obesity, heart disease and type 2 diabetes. Almost every nutrition expert agrees that refined carbs should be limited. However, they are still the main source of dietary carbs in many countries".3 days ago
caesarean births
"Increasingly, researchers are finding that c- sections are linked to both short and long-term health problems for baby"
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20-05-2021, 17:10
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#114
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Location: Virginia
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by coopec43
Whenever we mess with nature we stuff up "the more you mess with (process) food the worse it gets".
Processed meats
"An observational study suggests there is a link between consuming 25 grams (g) of processed meat per day — which amounts to around one rasher of bacon — and a 44% higher risk of dementia".29 Mar 202
Artificial sweeteners
"A 2017 study published in the journal Stroke concluded that “higher cumulative intake of artificially sweetened soft drinks were associated with an increased risk of ischemic stroke, all-cause dementia and Alzheimer's disease-dementia.”22 Mar 2021
Refined Carbs (white bread, white rice, white flour, pastries, sugary foods and many breakfast cereals)
"Eating refined carbs is linked to drastically increased risk of many diseases, including obesity, heart disease and type 2 diabetes. Almost every nutrition expert agrees that refined carbs should be limited. However, they are still the main source of dietary carbs in many countries".3 days ago
caesarean births
"Increasingly, researchers are finding that c-sections are linked to both short and long-term health problems for baby"
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Also to mention the possibility of detrimental side effects of "forever" chemicals. Already suspect of certain cancers and homone imbalances. And nearly impossible to avoid consumption of said chemicals because they are dispersed throughout our entire food chain.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/12/chemical-giants-hid-dangers-pfas-forever-chemicals-food-packaging-dupont
And I also would argue against the US food pyramid as a sick joke! Especially since we know today that refined carbohydrates should not be your major source of calories. Complex carbohydrates should have a position. Vegetables and protein should IMHO make up most of your intake.
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20-05-2021, 18:29
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#115
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Location: Australia
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by Gadagirl
Also to mention the possibility of detrimental side effects of "forever" chemicals. Already suspect of certain cancers and homone imbalances. And nearly impossible to avoid consumption of said chemicals because they are dispersed throughout our entire food chain.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/12/chemical-giants-hid-dangers-pfas-forever-chemicals-food-packaging-dupont
And I also would argue against the US food pyramid as a sick joke! Especially since we know today that refined carbohydrates should not be your major source of calories. Complex carbohydrates should have a position. Vegetables and protein should IMHO make up most of your intake.
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" Roundup Maker to Pay $10 Billion to Settle Cancer Suits
Bayer faced tens of thousands of claims linking the weedkiller to cases of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. Some of the money is set aside for future cases."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/b...-lawsuits.html
"The most widely sprayed herbicide in the world kills honeybees, according to a new report. Glyphosate, an herbicide and active ingredient in Monsanto's (now Bayer's) Roundup weed killer, targets enzymes long assumed to be found only in plants".3 Oct 2018
" Roundup kills beneficial insects. Tests conducted by The International Organization for Biological Control showed that Roundup caused mortality of live beneficial species including Thrichgramma, predatory mites, lacewings, ladybugs, and predatory beetles"
https://permaculture.com.au/glyphosa...arget-species/
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21-05-2021, 21:35
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#116
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
Chotu
Maybe this would be worth considering?
HIIT the road to recovery for patients with heart disease
https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2...-heart-disease
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23-05-2021, 05:28
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#117
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Boat: 50ft Custom Fast Catamaran
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
Ok!
Somehow, things are feeling a bit back to normal.
After some very long errand days briskly walking all over the place, a sluggishness and dizziness I was feeling had mostly gone away.
Although I know I’m not back to normal and heat makes me dizzy very easily, I’m able to do most of the basic stuff again. Stuff like rushing around on errands, lifting half full 5 gallon containers and hauling them around, etc.
Going to try to do some routine maintenance stuff this morning before it’s hot. Nothing strenuous, but something to keep busy and active.
Soon, it will be time to start a more regular exercise program.
Maybe I’ll be able to deal with the manual windlass again someday after all.
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23-05-2021, 06:00
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#118
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Rochester, NY
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by Chotu
Maybe I’ll be able to deal with the manual windlass again someday after all.
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On that one, I'd say even if you can, don't. Even if effort isn't a concern, the much faster retrieval rate of an electric windlass is really handy at times. Particularly when you're in deep water and have 200+ feet to retrieve.
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23-05-2021, 06:38
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#119
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by rslifkin
On that one, I'd say even if you can, don't. Even if effort isn't a concern, the much faster retrieval rate of an electric windlass is really handy at times. Particularly when you're in deep water and have 200+ feet to retrieve.
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True. I’ve had manual windlasses all my life. Always enjoyed the workout. Yes, it takes time to pull up. I usually just go from windlass to helm to windlass a bunch of times to hold station and retrieve it.
But maybe an electric would be a nice luxury.
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23-05-2021, 07:20
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#120
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Rochester, NY
Boat: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
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Re: Heart Results Are In - Boat Options?
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Originally Posted by Chotu
True. I’ve had manual windlasses all my life. Always enjoyed the workout. Yes, it takes time to pull up. I usually just go from windlass to helm to windlass a bunch of times to hold station and retrieve it.
But maybe an electric would be a nice luxury.
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It definitely makes picking up to move if conditions become not ideal much less of a big deal. And if nothing else, it's an extra few minutes to drink coffee before you need to start picking up to get underway at the desired time. Plus, it's easier to hold the washdown hose and spray the gunk off when you're not cranking on a windlass handle.
With the electric windlass and a wireless remote, retrieval for us is just a few minutes of me standing on the bow with the remote, monitoring how the rode is retrieving and giving hand signals back to the helm for boat movement as needed. Then once the chain is tight, snub it, some hand signals to get the anchor broken free, pull the snubber and finish retrieval.
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