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[David Ess]

Originally Posted by captlloyd

You might do a little research and see how many wars China has been in over the last 70 years. Then check out the good old USA. Then you will see who is the warring nation.

Ca ptloyd, he never even mentioned....warring. Till now, china has only been able to make war with close neighbors, Tibet, Vietnam, India,Russia.And even then they have had to be very careful not to let it escalate to all out war. Now they mainly just bully and intimidate various neighbors like Taiwan, philippines, australia, etc.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by RexSnr

I spent 10 years of my life trying to buy a successful product from China. I learned never to compare the Chinese with the Japanese. THe Japanese had pride and wanted to be like everyone else. The Chinese don't. They've worked out that WE will buy ANYTHING as long as it's cheap.They run ZERO supports for what they make. There is no warranty division. There is no spare parts.

You mean like your iPhone?

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Cadence

I'd have to disagree about the US medico over prescribing. I feel sorry for our GP. He thought he was studying for medicine not to be a CPA. Between the gov. and the hospital affiliation, for insurance, he can no longer practice medicine. It's a sad state of affairs to see a bright young man hobbled by bureaucracy.

Simi, the fentanyl comes from china. Its sent in illegally. They know who is making it and his home address which theyve given to the gov there. And the chinese gov doesn nothing. Its an enemy country that is happy it can get away with killing so many americans without blowback. Except for those of us that boycott their products. Boaters, join in.

[David Ess]

Taliban now in charge,
no more Americans to kill?
They'll hook up the Chinese,
And continue the job with Fentanyl.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

You mean like your iPhone?

ip hones are an outlier, not the norm. For the norm see Walmart, dollar stores, etc. Its tough for companie s that naively made huge investments in china to quickly diverse. But its is easy for us to boycott chinese stuff, and for those of us with businesses , NOT to expand in china. Boaters out there...join the boycott.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Simi, the fentanyl comes from china.

You say I does

As pointed out and linked to, the actual evidence says it mostly comes from Mexico
But, if you and your ilk are dumb enough to buy it and use it I guess you are dumb enough not to read as well.

It's the same sort of dumb that thinks everything Chinese is rubbish
And it's the same sort of dumb that thinks that covid was made by China

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

You say I does

As pointed out and linked to, the actual evidence says it mostly comes from Mexico
But, if you and your ilk are dumb enough to buy it and use it I guess you are dumb enough not to read as well.

It's the same sort of dumb that thinks everything Chinese is rubbish
And it's the same sort of dumb that thinks that covid was made by China

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by David Ess

iphones are an outlier, not the norm. .

Just about every manufactured item we buy in North America is made in China, or has significant Chinese components in them. This includes appliances, autos, medical devices, and so on.

Because of this, we all know that China IS capable of manufacturing to a high level, with direction. Most of the preferred name-brand outboards are also made in China. I have done some selective purchasing of Chinese products; some have disappointed, but some have been good purchases. One of my favourite microprocessor chips was designed in China. They dominate in EV components, including electric buses.

Trading with China creates interdependence, which reduces the chances of a shooting war.

If you're serious about your boycott of Chinese products, that means you'll be going offline, so goodbye and good luck.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

You say I does

As pointed out and linked to, the actual evidence says it mostly comes from Mexico
But, if you and your ilk are dumb enough to buy it and use it I guess you are dumb enough not to read as well.

It's the same sort of dumb that thinks everything Chinese is rubbish
And it's the same sort of dumb that thinks that covid was made by China

The chinese use the mexican cartels to get the fentanyl in. I didnt say everything chinese is rubbish, making that false assumption is as dumb as saying the Wuhan flu came from the states, or Uruguay or Finland.

[B_Hunter45]

I don't buy Chinese products if I can find a replacement. There is no good reason to contribute to their economy.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by David Ess

The chinese use the mexican cartels to get the fentanyl in

And your evidence of that is?

If the DEA and other knowledgeable sources say it is mostly MANUFACTURED in Mexico , what is it China does again? :rolleyes

didnt say everything chinese is rubbish, making that false assumption is as dumb as saying the Wuhan flu came from the states, or Uruguay or Finland.

So you are one of those
Pretty poor picture you are painting of yourself

Wuhan flu

an informal term for COVID-19, mostly seen as indicative of the xenophobia related to the pandemic

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by jim King

I'm surprised at the increasing quality control on items coming out of China. Many items like this outboard have mixed reviews but will continue to get more stars as they improve quality. I would wait awhile to buy one and make sure there is a good return policy.

I think as time goes on people will forget what quality was once upon a time and accept poor quality as the norm.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

China does nothing of the sort.
.
The US govt is responsible for allowing the drugs in
The US medico over prescribe it
And YOU are ultimately responsible for the illicit drugs you ingest

And tell me, how is that Chinese made phone/tablet/PC you are posting with going?

Also both of these articles, one from the DEA say most of the illicit fentanyl comes from Mexico

https://www.dea.gov/factsheets/fentanyl

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-opioid-epidemic

Read em and weep down under...
https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/f..._Operation.pdf


https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/fi...20States_0.pdf


https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...5hhrg25507.htm


https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-...liers-fuelling


https://www.yahoo.com/now/chinese-mo...102100720.html


https://www.winchesterstar.com/winch...df7816018.html


https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/pos...reets#stream/0

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Fair enough, but surely youre also impressed with their industrial espionage, normal espionage, and the masses of americans theyve killed with all that fentanyl they supply! Or, surely impressed by how they bully and intimidate their neighbors!

I'm not impressed but rather disgusted.

Originally Posted by David Ess

ip hones are an outlier, not the norm. For the norm see Walmart, dollar stores, etc. Its tough for companie s that naively made huge investments in china to quickly diverse. But its is easy for us to boycott chinese stuff, and for those of us with businesses , NOT to expand in china. Boaters out there...join the boycott.

I've been boycotting them for over 30 years. It's impossible to do it 100%. But I at least try to educate the younger folk coming up behind me who did not live a time when we took quality for granted. Now the disposable society has become the norm.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Read em and weep down under...
https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/f..._Operation.pdf


https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/fi...20States_0.pdf


https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...5hhrg25507.htm


https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-...liers-fuelling


https://www.yahoo.com/now/chinese-mo...102100720.html


https://www.winchesterstar.com/winch...df7816018.html


https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/pos...reets#stream/0

From the article

A Post Magazine investigation traces back to China supply lines of chemicals used by cartels to produce the opioid

So a company in China makes chemicals
And somone else in another country then uses those chemicals to make fentanyl
Yet for you that = China makes fentanyl.

Gee, I wonder who makes the items used in bombs?
Do you hold mobile phone makers, wire makers, bolt makers, fertiliser makers responsible?

How about foods?
Do you hold suppliers of food responsible for obesity?

Are adult beverage manufactures responsible for drunk drivers or is that the car manufacturers fault?
And on that theme, a sane and normal person would blame neither.
Clearly it's the driver of the vehicle who is a fault.

Same argument could be used with opioids.
It'not the maker of a chemical who is to blame
Or necessarily the maker of the drug
It's the dumb Muppet who buys the drugs and ingests them who is ultimately to blame.