Boat Went up on the Beach Last Night

[zeehag]

jedi--is why i now have 2 windlasses on my bow--ellie and manny.....is sooo much easier to lift that weight with a helper and we all know men are lazy and i would have to pull it myself so i have both.....

kettlewell--boat was crushed and dispo'd...sad

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

I'm confused. I have stated many times that I think a windlass is needed even for smaller 30' boats, but I never say that it must be electric. Also, using a manual windlass or an electric windlass in manual mode, is not what I call hauling anchor by hand.

I've come to the windlass recommendation after 17 years of not having one on a 30 footer, followed by ignoring it on a 42 footer. The reasons are that even for light gear, during high winds and waves the forces can go up so much that you lose control without a windlass. I have had times that I could not pick up the anchor during a storm and this was during the years I was stronger than most other sailors.

The disadventage of a manual windlass is it's low speed. This triggers the impatient to raise hand over hand, which is okay in light conditions. Electric becomes a requirement for single handing and when we get too old for all that macho style

I found back in the '80's that if I hoisted the main and sheeted it in the boat sails nicely up to the anchor as I haul it in taking the strain/weight off... just hold every now and then till she feathers and swings to the opposite tack then haul in the slack.. and repeat the process... if the winds over 30 I stay put...
not into sailing then unless I have to...
but as you say... when I'm old a windlass control from the cockpit would likely be very nice...
not saying I've never had them.. just rarely used em ...

[mbianka]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Bigger Is Better... anchors.. boats...

LOL. It was only a 33 lb Bruce not too tough to handle normally but, in 20 knots of wind a real bear to deal with by myself. Got a lot of exercise running back and forth to the helm. Which reminds me that I came with an idea for a homemade chain stopper that I need to install this spring. Then I'll be able get the exercise Rebel Heart mentions which can't hurt either.

[Kettlewell]

kettlewell--boat was crushed and dispo'd...sad

Sad, and so quick. Was it badly holed when it went up? In the pictures we saw it looked salvageable.

[zeehag]

gee boaty when wind is over 30 i pray not to drag anchor..lol...hunker down and wait out the wind...lol..hear me clucking loudly....braaaawk...bedaaaawwwket....with my second anchor ready to go ......

the surf must have beat that boat to hell and back--is a rough water roadstead anchorage with many rocky things..horrible anchorage, to which i will not return, despite that i adored la cruz, the town...is sad there was a decent anchorage but there is now a very highly priced platinum marina instead....has become the highest priced marina in banderas bay.

[sww914]

The boat had it's mast pulled off and broken by one of the pangas that was trying to save it.The owner didn't have (in his words) the money or the skill to replace the rigging. The Port Captain sent a backhoe to break it up and haul it away, the same day that this thread started. The owner is sitting on the beach in a tent trying to sell the last of his stuff so that he can go do something else. I bought a few things from him to try to help.
He told a friend yesterday that he has enough money to buy a scooter and that he will continue traveling the Mexican coast by scooter now.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

I'm confused. I have stated many times that I think a windlass is needed even for smaller 30' boats, but I never say that it must be electric. Also, using a manual windlass or an electric windlass in manual mode, is not what I call hauling anchor by hand.

With a 31ft LOA I agreed with Nick. Anything over 1/2 knot of tide running and there is no chance of pulling up 30m of chain and a Delta. The manual windlass just takes all the effort out of it and leaves me able to concentrate of the rest of the stuff as you're no longer attached to the Earth and now moving, not necessarily in the direction you want to go.

Pete

[Ramblingman]

Originally Posted by zeehag

jedi--is why i now have 2 windlasses on my bow--ellie and manny.....is sooo much easier to lift that weight with a helper and we all know men are lazy and i would have to pull it myself so i have both.....

kettlewell--boat was crushed and dispo'd...sad

Too lazy? Really Zee....

Hmmmph

Sad to see the owner lose the boat but glad to see him continue on his travels. Hopefully he has a good lock for the scooter and sets it!

[zeehag]

ramblinman--since i got the old electric windlass repaired i have had 3 offers from guys wanting to be crew--when i only had manual windlass, i had no one wanting to crew..now, you tell me, who is lazy--man or lilollady.....rodlmao...and in all my years of life and living, i have only met a few motivated men. they love the sit on butt jobs. they also watched as i ROWED to save boats in sd on our moorings ....LOL. only 2 ever helped , out of 20+ in the area, most owning rib with huge engines..


of course, none of you guys is lazy....

[Ramblingman]

Being as I have an all (well mostly) female crew I might rethink things and let them do all the work. Bikini Clad Windless = Brilliant!

Love ya Zee! Safe travels.

[zeehag]

Originally Posted by Ramblingman

Being as I have an all (well mostly) female crew I might rethink things and let them do all the work. Bikini Clad Windless = Brilliant!

Love ya Zee! Safe travels.

rodlmao...
as formosas are sexy boats, you should have no trouble finding crew.....

ty..you, as well....

[DeepFrz]

A BLOKE SAT IN HIS ARMCHAIR & SHOUTS TO HIS WIFE,

"WHEN I DIE I'M GOING TO LEAVE EVERYTHING TO YOU LOVE!"



SHE SHOUTS BACK "YOU ALREADY DO YOU LAZY BASTARD !! "

[Palarran]

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

A BLOKE SAT IN HIS ARMCHAIR & SHOUTS TO HIS WIFE,

"WHEN I DIE I'M GOING TO LEAVE EVERYTHING TO YOU LOVE!"



SHE SHOUTS BACK "YOU ALREADY DO YOU LAZY BASTARD !! "

That's pretty funny, thanks.

[sww914]

Originally Posted by CaptForce

I hear references to "on the rocks" and "on the reef", but from the photo this looks like sand that, except for the potential of some hard pounding, might not have resulted in significant damage. So much importance comes with the action at the moment of grounding. It's always the odds in your favor that you are not grounding at that moment of high tide, but if you take any delay in fixing your position when you are first aground, then you will continue to move until you are at the dreaded point of being swamped and hard aground at the high tide mark. So often people dont see that the urgent need is to take an anchor directly offsore with the longest rode available from the bow (or stern depending on the boat's underwater design and the slope of the beach). I know there are the possibilities that the crew might not be physically able or the dinhy might not be capable or that the anchor and rode might not be available, but I've often seen people miss this opportunity to prevent themselves from ending upon the high tide mark. Over the decades that I've been liveaboard cruising I've only had this happen to me twice and never with significant waves on the lee shore that I was placed upon, but I did manage to keep myself in a position that allowed me off at the next high. I've no right to claim that there could have been something done in this case, but the awareness should be wide spread,- Don't keep moving further aground and end up at the top edge!

Look at the rocks! Right next to the anchorage!

[colemj]

Originally Posted by senormechanico

Bet'cha haven't pulled up your anchor in 60' of depth !

Bet'cha he hasn't pulled up his anchor in US East Coast muck either!

Mark