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Old 22-10-2020, 04:20   #16
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Re: UK VAT and (3 yr+) circumnavigation

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Just a question, how do they know you left? I mean, im going to untie and head out. I don't plan on telling anyone apart from the odd post on a forum saying hi guess where I am! (I loved waldo as a kid)
you will be/are required to report outward and inward clearance to Borderforce uk,which is basically HMRC and immigration combined .
failure to do so will incurr large fines and confiscation of the vessel
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Re: UK VAT and (3 yr+) circumnavigation

The three rule is a function of the EU VAT RGR laws which until 31 Dec will be in effect. It was always thus so in the EU. Nothing has changed.

In practice once ownership remained unchanged customs generally didnt bother policing RGR time frames ( note that its 90 days extended to up to 3 years on application )

There is no such thing as “ VAT” status , VAT is a transaction tax and can be paid repeatedly on a product depending on its purchase , sales, import or export transactions its subject too.

Irish registration will only be of use to a EU citizen. If you remain tax domiciled on the U.K. the “ minute “ the yacht “ leaves EU waters it is deemed exported.

If you are U.K. tax domiciled and the boat is U.K. registered you can available of the 18 month visitors exemption which will allow you to not be faced with another vat bill during that period and requires a period outside the EU to reset that.

Remember EU visiting boat vat relief is NOT available to a person resident in the EU irrespective of the flag of the vessel. So if you are picking up “ resident “ permits , ie in Greece , for example , thread carefully
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Old 22-10-2020, 11:25   #18
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Re: UK VAT and (3 yr+) circumnavigation

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you will be/are required to report outward and inward clearance to Borderforce uk,which is basically HMRC and immigration combined .
failure to do so will incurr large fines and confiscation of the vessel
taking back control after brexit
Looks like i will be back to see how the new brexit uk is in 2.9 years then 😂😂

Not to keep on, just trying to get a clear picture, surely for them to know you haven't told them you have left somone has to tell them you have? Or am I over simplifying this?

I'll ask Boris.
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Old 22-10-2020, 14:39   #19
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Re: UK VAT and (3 yr+) circumnavigation

My UK registered (and VAT paid) sailing boat has been in the EU (not UK) for five years and i wish to continue sailing and keeping her there.
So, like many others, I followed RYA advice and have ensured that she is in the EU on 31 December 2020. With current restrictions and winter weather it is not sensible to try to return the boat to the UK now, even if I wished.
What is regrettable is that the RYA did not mention the three year RGR until last month when HMRC announced that if the boat wasn't in the UK at 31 December 2020 they would be charging VAT on re-entry. Until then the message was that if the boat returned to the UK post 2020 but that VAT had previously been paid to the UK Government then a waiver would be applied. No mention of any time limit. Even more unsatisfactory the RYA seems to be merely trying to request for a 3 year waiver period to start from now, not going back to the original assurances.
I have made representations to my Conservative MP but given that he always tows the party line I have limited expectations. So I will be making representations to Treasury Ministers too. Like some previous comments I think that we have to make our anger about this double taxation clear.
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Re: UK VAT and (3 yr+) circumnavigation

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The three rule is a function of the EU VAT RGR laws which until 31 Dec will be in effect. It was always thus so in the EU. Nothing has changed.

In practice once ownership remained unchanged customs generally didnt bother policing RGR time frames ( note that its 90 days extended to up to 3 years on application )

There is no such thing as “ VAT” status , VAT is a transaction tax and can be paid repeatedly on a product depending on its purchase , sales, import or export transactions its subject too.

Irish registration will only be of use to a EU citizen. If you remain tax domiciled on the U.K. the “ minute “ the yacht “ leaves EU waters it is deemed exported.

If you are U.K. tax domiciled and the boat is U.K. registered you can available of the 18 month visitors exemption which will allow you to not be faced with another vat bill during that period and requires a period outside the EU to reset that.

Remember EU visiting boat vat relief is NOT available to a person resident in the EU irrespective of the flag of the vessel. So if you are picking up “ resident “ permits , ie in Greece , for example , thread carefully
But what if one is still ‘resident’ in UK, but you’ve parked your boat in....Tonga for cyclone season for example, and returned to Uk for a family visit. I’m not concerned about becoming liable for VAT somewhere else (don’t intend to be there long enough), just don’t want to pay tHMRC twice for the pleasure of owning a boat just because of a long trip.....
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Re: UK VAT and (3 yr+) circumnavigation

HMRC have anounanced in the last few days that they will now give until the end of 2021 to allow UK Boat owners to return their vessels to the UK without having to pay VAT again. RYA and Cruising Assoc are still trying for longer period, so I don't think its all over yet
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