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30-10-2008, 08:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay
I doubt that Marcus Tullius Cicero ever actually wrote/uttered such a statement.
Do you have any documentation supporting the veracity of the alleged quotation?
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None whatsoever.
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30-10-2008, 09:28
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Regardless of Author
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave the Canuck
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must once again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."
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I can't find one part that isn't true, IMO
Back to basics.
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30-10-2008, 11:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach
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"Google is the most powerful and useful tool in 300 years of progress."
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30-10-2008, 11:31
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If, as in this case, there is no reason to believe that Cicero actually uttered the words, it’s either intellectually dishonest, or lazy, to try to(falsely) bolster the notions on the back of Cicero’s high repute.
The words and ideas should be allowed to stand or fall on their own merit.
As Zach’s link says:
"... No evidence has been found to confirm that Cicero said these words, and it is almost certainly spurious..."
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30-10-2008, 11:46
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I found this
on another quotations site Quote Details: Cicero: The national budget must... - The Quotations Page
so it looks like he may actually have said it.
Sorry to be rude and jump in unannounced, this is my first post in over 2 years, having just drifted back in again
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30-10-2008, 12:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilR
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Welcome back Neil!
What it actually looks like is that Rand Lindsly repeats the apocryphal attribution.
Endless repetition is not evidence.
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30-10-2008, 12:04
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I know
I didn't go any further back to check than Rand Lindsly's list 'cos I got distracted by the kids
Be nice if it was true though.
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30-10-2008, 17:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay
I doubt that Marcus Tullius Cicero ever actually wrote/uttered such a statement.
Do you have any documentation supporting the veracity of the alleged quotation?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave the Canuck
None whatsoever.
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You know what ruins a good war story?
An eye witness or a skeptic -
Something funny though. If I said these words, no one would listen. But if I say, Cicero said, or Tom Hanks said, or Madonna said, there is somehow new credence to the words for many people.
Cicero - dead a long time
Tom Hanks - interesting actor and movie maker
Maddona - nuff said...
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30-10-2008, 17:52
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Sorry for the confusion, boys.
I was referring to Frankie Cicero. A 55 year old from British Columbia. (55BC). Runs a nice pizza joint in Vancouver.
Words kinda make you think, though.
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02-11-2008, 17:10
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He also wore #55 when he played linebacker for Boston College.
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02-11-2008, 18:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slomotion
He also wore #55 when he played linebacker for Boston College.
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Played with the BC Lions after college. Same number.
(Beautiful. This could get silly fast. Anyone else?)
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03-11-2008, 04:32
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Wasn't "Frankie Cicero" a type of light chicken gravy! I think so.
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03-11-2008, 06:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave the Canuck
Played with the BC Lions after college. Same number.
(Beautiful. This could get silly fast. Anyone else?)
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He started out at Broward Community College before the transfer to BC, but he kept the #55 for good luck (55 BCC). He had a really attractive sister, Madonna, but I was always too scared to ask her out. Cicero was a big boy!
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03-11-2008, 06:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by starfish62
Cicero was a big boy!
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Yeah but they called him “Sissy” for short and once he started spouting those highfalutin words….the name kinda stuck
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