Contributions when volunteering as crew

[ChrisJHC]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Actually it is. Normally for a day sail where you are expected to crew you’d be expected to be fed snacks and drinks etc. you would not be normally expected to feed yourself.

Perhaps I should have said that it was the norm on the last three boats I raced on as crew.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by ChrisJHC

Perhaps I should have said that it was the norm on the last three boats I raced on as crew.

Well I’m racing as crew tomorrow , I’ll report back

[Fore and Aft]

Certainly, when racing the skipper provides the drinks and food. But back on shore after the race I always buy the owner a round or two of drinks. The owner has a lot of money invested in their boat so it's nice to show I appreciate being onboard. A few rounds of drinks go nowhere near what it costs to keep a race boat competitive.
Cheers

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

Certainly, when racing the skipper provides the drinks and food.

Not around here. Crews provide their own refreshments, and the skipper generally doesn't buy any rounds at the bar afterwards.

And the tradition for WAGS (Wednesday Afternoon Gentlepersons Sailing) is that everyone except the skipper brings drinks and nibbles.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by StuM

Not around here. Crews provide their own refreshments, and the skipper generally doesn't buy any rounds at the bar afterwards.

And the tradition for WAGS (Wednesday Afternoon Gentlepersons Sailing) is that everyone except the skipper brings drinks and nibbles.

God that’s a mean boat , I’d avoid types like that.

[goboatingnow]

Just talking to tomorrows skipper I’m crewing with.

“ should I bring snacks “ , “ oh God know , i have sandwiches, snacks , drinks for all three crew. “

[StuM]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

God that’s a mean boat , I’d avoid types like that.

Not just "a" boat. It's standard practice in these parts.
It's only mean guests/crew that scrounge off the skipper or other guests/crew. They generally find they don't get invited back.


Personally I certainly don't expect the owner to supply me with food and/or drinks unless I'm assisting him on a delivery. - then it's on his dime.



When crewing or going out for a day to an island on someone else's boat , I wouldn't consider getting on board empty handed.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by StuM

Not just "a" boat. It's standard practice in these parts.
It's only mean guests/crew that scrounge off the skipper or other guests/crew. They generally find they don't get invited back.


Personally I certainly don't expect the owner to supply me with food and/or drinks unless I'm assisting him on a delivery. - then it's on his dime.



When crewing or going out for a day to an island on someone else's boat , I wouldn't consider getting on board empty handed.

I see you provide free labour for a day and feed yourself to boot. Well done I’ve a few weeks work you might be interested in

Any boat ive crewed on , will feed the volunteer crew after all its the least you could do. A pint for the crew is usually provided in the yacht club bar afterwards. Three to four if we win !!

Crew for me , I feed you . I mean the least I can do is make a few sandwiches and buy a packet of bickies

I give up a day to crew , you feed me a few snacks and a sandwich , sounds about right to me.

[ChrisJHC]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I see you provide free labour for a day and feed yourself to boot. Well done I’ve a few weeks work you might be interested in

Any boat ive crewed on , will feed the volunteer crew after all its the least you could do. A pint for the crew is usually provided in the yacht club bar afterwards. Three to four if we win !!

Crew for me , I feed you . I mean the least I can do is make a few sandwiches and buy a packet of bickies

I give up a day to crew , you feed me a few snacks and a sandwich , sounds about right to me.

Another way to look at it is:
“I provide the $300K boat, you provide $10 in snacks and drinks”.
And it’s always a suggestion, not a requirement.

Note that on my boat, I’ve never asked the crew to bring anything for day races, but they do it voluntarily.
Maybe they’ve been trained on other boats?

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by ChrisJHC

Another way to look at it is:
“I provide the $300K boat, you provide $10 in snacks and drinks”.
And it’s always a suggestion, not a requirement.

Note that on my boat, I’ve never asked the crew to bring anything for day races, but they do it voluntarily.
Maybe they’ve been trained on other boats?

Or mabee they just understand the concept of mutually enjoying the day without conflating leisure and employment.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I see you provide free labour for a day and feed yourself to boot. Well done I’ve a few weeks work you might be interested in
...
I give up a day to crew

You and I have very different concepts of what sailing on OPBs is.

To you it's "labour" or "work" to me it's a pleasure / leisure activity.
(I feel sorry for you if you need some sort of reward in order to get on a boat - maybe you need a different hobby)



I don't "give up a day to crew". I get the opportunity to do something I thoroughly enjoy - sail on a different boat and compete in sailing races. I certainly don't expect remuneration in addition to the pleasure I derive and I don't expect the person giving me the opportunity to also give me food and drink while I am enjoying myself.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by ChrisJHC

Note that on my boat, I’ve never asked the crew to bring anything for day races, but they do it voluntarily.
Maybe they’ve been trained on other boats?

Or maybe they are just not freeloaders by nature.

[goboatingnow]

Just back from my day racing as crew.

I brought a mars bar and a snickers

The owner supplied to the three crew , tea coffee beer , multiple sandwiches , chocolate and bought a round at the yacht club bar tonight

Clearly I don’t sail with tight wads.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by StuM

You and I have very different concepts of what sailing on OPBs is.

To you it's "labour" or "work" to me it's a pleasure / leisure activity.
(I feel sorry for you if you need some sort of reward in order to get on a boat - maybe you need a different hobby)



I don't "give up a day to crew". I get the opportunity to do something I thoroughly enjoy - sail on a different boat and compete in sailing races. I certainly don't expect remuneration in addition to the pleasure I derive and I don't expect the person giving me the opportunity to also give me food and drink while I am enjoying myself.

Nobody suggested payment. Merely it’s expected the owner getting access to very experienced race crew would at least be grateful and feed them.

[Jim Cate]

Way back when I was racing with crew I supplied lunch (and dinner/breakfast on the occasional overnight race), but my lot would bring t heir own drinks for after the finish. These were not just crew, but friends, and none were hotshot sailors. More serious racers who wanted top notch sailors for crew had to supply fancy deli sandwiches, dinner at t he club post race and lots of beer in order to lure crew from other boats. A really good foredeck man or main trimmer could have his pick of rides most of t he time. All of the above was in the SF Bay area in the 70s and early 80s. Dunno how it goes these days.

Issues with attracting and organizing crew is one of the reasons that I gradually drifted into single hand racing... but some of those guys are still friends, and I eventually married one (not a guy) who sails with me to this day. So it was all worth while!

Jim