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Old 24-05-2012, 19:33   #46
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Re: Can you Buy Safety

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"the dangers of chartpllotters?"

Can we dial the rhetoric down a bit. I bet more booms injure people than chartplotters.

Chartplotters don't kill people. Navigators kill people.

To be honest, if your chartplotter quits and you can't find a shore in an otherwise capable boat, you are an idiot.
Unfortunately you can not fix stupid. I know several "professional" captains who have trouble navigating without a chartplotter. if you can not use a paper chart get off the water

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Old 24-05-2012, 21:18   #47
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Re: Can you Buy Safety

The reason we originally wrote the article that started this discussion is, several years ago, after several cruising sailors lost their lives, their boats and others called for assistance and were removed from boats that ultimately were found floating after the storm there was a big investigation. The committee that eventually came up with recommendations to insure future safety had several members from companies which sold marine equipment. The final report suggested boats taking part in organized cruises carry even more store-bought "safety" equipment. We read an editorial telling of the excellent findings from the committee. We interviewed a lot of the folks who came through the storm with little problem and wondered why they hadn't been interviewed. (we wrote about this in the 3rd edition of our Storm tactics handbook) I then happened to be on the phone with Herb McCormick who was, at that time, editor of Cruising World. I went on one of my rants - saying the sport was being high-jacked by advertisers selling safety, not seamanship. He said simply,"write it down." I can't remember which month or year it was, but Herb wrote an editorial showing he was in agreement with most of what we said. He got some flack from advertisers, lots of support from readers. But the article didn't get printed there due to change of editors. So this forum is one more way of encouraging folks to discuss this matter.

Yes it is about messing about on boats and keeping as much regulation as possible out of sailing.

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Old 29-05-2012, 06:57   #48
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Re: Can you Buy Safety

I had a very interesting conversation with a pilot captain, about midnight as I was running the ships channel on the Columbia below Astoria. He was bringing down a large freighter, and asked me to stay out of the main part of the channel (good advice) and stay tuned for any quick changes I may need to make.
Then he asked me if I was navigating with a chart plotter, to which I told him I was. He hinted that I could duck behind the cans in some areas, to which I replied that I will hug the buoys, but not get outside the channel since this was all new territory to me. I would stay on visual sailing (the nav aids were all lighted and even though it was foggy I could see them) and use my chartplotter only as back up.
He didn't press me on the issue.
Sure enough, later in the night I hit mud while "in the channel" according to my chartplotter. I got out by visual alignment of my boat...
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I find it interesting that people are instancing a safety harness and jacklines as being examples of safety you can (and should) buy.

I say this because these are both things you can MAKE for yourself. You'd have to be fairly old school to make your own rope, admittedly, but given that rope is indispensable to a sailing vessel, you don't have to pay someone else for these crucial items of safety equipment.

Anyone who cannot improvise a TOTALLY safe harness from a length of rope has already delegated responsibility for their safety to others, to a degree I would suggest they question.

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