So, He Was Right !

[barnakiel]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-800-years-ago


He he he. And so he was right. Quite contrary to legions of naysayers who said he was creating stories NOT doing science.


Vision. It takes a vision.


b.

[MicHughV]

in today's world...hard to say....

I have grandparents that came from four different countries and their individual family history is murkier than the bilge water in my boat..my parents emigrated to another country...as have I....I have spawned a child whose mother's heritage throws in another several countries.....at the end of the day, I could not, with any conviction, explain my own lineage...let along my daughter's.

When she asks I reply " Heinz 57"....

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-800-years-ago


He he he. And so he was right. Quite contrary to legions of naysayers who said he was creating stories NOT doing science.


Vision. It takes a vision.


b.

proof beyond the doubt that catamarans are superior to monohulls.

[jimbunyard]

Well....here's a link to the study. https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...hsonianmag.com

[StuM]

"so he wss right"? Are you talking about Heyerdahl's hypothesis that Americans populated the eastern pacific islands?



I prefer the theory that Polynesians sailed to the Americas, "mingled" with the local population and the mixed parentage groups did the return trip based on their polynesian heritage? It better fits with the historical evidence of long distance seafaring by the two cultures.
Here's another report on the study, this time by a more "scientific" outlet
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...ive-americans/

[Island Time O25]

Old news.

Sweet potatoes were brought from the Andes to Polynesia over a thousand years ago. Whether by Polynesians coming back or by South Americans going forward (back?) it doesn't really matter.

BTW it is now one of the theories of how Americas were populated - one of the presumed waves was via Pacific Ocean and not just the 2 or 3 waves via the Bering landmass.

To populate Australia 50,000 years ago the Aborigenes had to cross approximately 50 to 200 miles of open ocean water. And not one West Marine store in sight. Think about it.

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

...To populate Australia 50,000 years ago the Aborigenes had to cross approximately 50 to 200 miles of open ocean water. And not one West Marine store in sight. Think about it.

Maybe not quite so far...

https://www.realclearscience.com/art...ia_110595.html

[AndyEss]

I read the NatGeo article yesterday morning. Cool ****. Kon-Tiki was one of the first “cruising” adventure stories I read as a kid, that got me interested in sailing. Even if it was a balsa log raft,

[tkeithlu]

Broadly, it supports the role of "cruising" boats in human migration, so we have an ancestory. The original migration has to be west to east, whether east across the Bering bridge or east across the pacific. It seems to me that the largely untestable hypothesis of migration by boats or on foot down the western shore of North America passes the test of parsimony. Untestable, because the archeological sites if they exist are 250 feet under water....

[MicHughV]

I've read a story that all the eels in the world originated from the Sargasso sea...fresh water...salt water...all species....whether true or not....they have to migrate a very long way...without GPS....to wherever they are going..why not people ??

in biblical terms, Adam and Eve were the first " humans"...how the nations of the world developed from this couple has yet to be made clear to me...see above.

likewise I have read tales of Norsemen being in the USA long before anyone else...

I don't know how many "cultures" or "language" groups" there are in the world, but it is likely a significant amount..and where they all came from ...is the question of the day...

The Inca's of South America, the "lost" Amazon tribes, The " bushman"....The Eskimo's, the "lost" city of Zimbabwe, Manchu Pica, the buried soldiers of China, the list of roaming and " lost" people's is long and convoluted as are the "how did they get there in the first place" question.

Trying to attach any theory to any of this is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. It's much like trying to determine whether not not there is other human life in space...

Fascinating stuff to muse about though.....

[barnakiel]

Ha ha - yes, good question what boats they had.


Cats some say. I bet on a form of a raft. Maybe wood, maybe reed.


I wonder if any of them made a round trip. By which I understand one migration that fed the structures and legends of the Marquesas, another that maybe took them onwards to Pitcairn Easter and MAYBE even back home to the Andes?


barnakiel

[MicHughV]

you've seen these stories about people leaving a message in bottle and throwing them over board, only to be found 1,000's of miles from their origin...

after the tsunami in Japan, objects were found on the beach in Alaska, BC and Washington State..just the ocean currents...

remember Alain Bombard, the crazy Frenchman, who set out to prove man can survive from the ocean's bounty...crossed the Atlantic....53 days at seas as I recall....

I think it's perfectly conceivable that long trips were made...intentionally or unintentionally....in craft ill suited for their purpose.

Remember, Maurice and Madelyn Bailey.....117 days adrift...in a life raft !!!
Traveling some 1,500 miles during this time...ocean currents alone....

raft...liferaft...small boat...if it floats....it can go somewhere..

[requiem]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Cats some say. I bet on a form of a raft. Maybe wood, maybe reed.

Per wiki, an account from the first encounter with the Inca off Ecuador in 1526:

[The Spanish] captured a ship [raft] with as many as 20 men aboard of whom 11 threw themselves into the water. [Ruiz] put the remainder of the crew onshore except for three whom he kept as interpreters. He treated them well. The ship he took had a capacity of up to 30 toneles [25 metric tons]. The keel was made of canes [balsa logs] as thick as posts bound together with ropes of what they call henequen, which is like hemp. it had an upper deck made of lighter canes, tied with the same kind of ropes. The people and their cargo remained dry on the upper deck, as the lower logs were awash in the sea water. The ship had masts of good wood and lateen-rigged sails of cotton, the same as our ships, and good rigging with henequen ropes. It carried stone weights like barber's grinding stones as anchors.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

in biblical terms, Adam and Eve were the first " humans"...how the nations of the world developed from this couple has yet to be made clear to me...see above.

Lots of incest

[StuM]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

likewise I have read tales of Norsemen being in the USA long before anyone else...

Hardly.


Early humans in North America: Clovis - around 13,000 years ago


Norsemen: North Germanic group dating about 1,300 years ago

First records of early hunter/gatherers in the area the Norsemen came from: 11-12,000 years ago