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23-02-2016, 22:44
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Registered User
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Location: On the boat
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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Originally Posted by reed1v
Oh dear clueless, third world medical facilities tend to be very run down, or become rather dilapidated quickly once set up. We set up a clinic on Marjuro back in the 80s. Ten years later we went back and found most of the windows gone, the -ray machine rusting and impossible to use, rat poop along all corridors, and generally a filthy mess. Same experience in outlying Colon, and same with rural clinics in Kenya(and that is probably the most progressive nation in Africa).
It takes management, organization, and training to keep a medical facility operating to WHO standards and most poorer nations just do not have the resources to do that. Its not just money, its the way the society is set up.
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i am afraid modern medicine is less than useless.
It hurts people !
Above is the proof. These people were not brainwashed that why they abandoned.
Now you tell me westerners are smarter
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23-02-2016, 22:53
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#62
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Tasmania, Australia
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
Damn boaty  thanks for sharing. Thats the most ive seen you write for a long time  glad the dolphins were there
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24-02-2016, 02:10
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
So are we all, RC.
Perhaps the question you want the answer to is too close to the hearts and lives of the survivors for public expression. i personally, think it was VERY BRAVE of Boatie to bare his feelings.
Never having singlehanded, (Jim always belowdecks, available at a call) I am not competent to answer your questions. Thoughts during the long night watches, mostly are enriching.
Ann
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24-02-2016, 02:52
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Seaman, Delivery skipper


Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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Originally Posted by RaymondR
You need to read Winston Churchill's six volume history of the second world war.
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And if that does not depress you enuf.. try War and Peace..
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It was a dark and stormy night and the captain of the ship said.. "Hey Jim, spin us a yarn." and the yarn began like this.. "It was a dark and stormy night.."
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24-02-2016, 06:03
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#65
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
Damn Boatie! That was purdy!
Posted from my buggy iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum app
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24-02-2016, 09:58
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
I'll join in Boatie's fan club. Just having my coffee here on US West Coast, wasn't really ready for tears this early in the day.
I'm reminded of Beth Leonard writing about night watches. When she first began she couldn't imagine hours and hours of nothing - but by the end of her voyage she would have been looking at the stars and examining the inside of her head so intently that the hours had gone by in the blink of an eye.
I can't imagine an experience like your crossing Boatie, but I look forward to the Orca/dolphin part with pleasure and hope I can wait out the calms. Thank you.
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24-02-2016, 10:14
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
On a new moon night, clear skies, out on the open ocean, you can see your shadow cast by starlight. Not to mention all those strange things moving around among the stars. Sailors at sea are easily entertained.
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24-02-2016, 10:48
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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Originally Posted by arsenelupiga
i am afraid modern medicine is less than useless.
It hurts people !
Above is the proof. These people were not brainwashed that why they abandoned.
Now you tell me westerners are smarter 
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I wouldn't go with useless. It is SWAG. Sometimes the guess is good sometimes not.
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24-02-2016, 10:57
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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Originally Posted by Cadence
I wouldn't go with useless. It is SWAG. Sometimes the guess is good sometimes not. 
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Without modern medicine(since the 1940s), the average lifespan would be shortened by 25 years, infant mortality would increase to 40%, and over half the population would experience debilitating conditions. Nope, modern medicines and medical standards have been almost as important as clean water and sanitary sewers. Unfortunately only about half the world are lucky to have these. If you want to see what the other half live like, go to some of the shanty towns built up around Mexico City.
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24-02-2016, 11:15
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
Boatman has long been one who has my respect and acknowledgement to be the best source for unvarnished truth in this forum. His admission of human feelings under duress was well said.
I have found as I age, thoughts of self destruction have been replaced by asking myself how can I help others who are younger and without the luck and resources I have been fortunate enough to amass? I also went through a period of reflection on my worth as an individual, an examination of how I had treated friends and enemies in the past and, of course, could I now make amends for past bad behavior. I realized that the best way to do that was to be helpful and giving in my community to those who were having a difficult time. It is fulfilling and very rewarding. I would encourage everyone who has reached that point in their lives where they are awaiting the grim reaper to choose a person or organization to support and help build the lives of those less fortunate than ourselves. You don't need to be wealthy, I'm certainly not! But give of your time and talent to folks who are battling on alone and may feel without hope. A kind word, just your company can do wonders! Cheers, Phil
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24-02-2016, 11:42
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Seaman, Delivery skipper


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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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Originally Posted by redhead
I'll join in Boatie's fan club. Just having my coffee here on US West Coast, wasn't really ready for tears this early in the day.
I'm reminded of Beth Leonard writing about night watches. When she first began she couldn't imagine hours and hours of nothing - but by the end of her voyage she would have been looking at the stars and examining the inside of her head so intently that the hours had gone by in the blink of an eye.
I can't imagine an experience like your crossing Boatie, but I look forward to the Orca/dolphin part with pleasure and hope I can wait out the calms. Thank you.
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Actually the calms are pretty cool as well.. I'd lay midships and stare down into the depths then slowly focus back up to the hundreds and thousands (best way I can describe the tiny multi-coloured golds, reds, greens etc lifeforms.. then there were the water spiders scuttling across the surface.. my own personal multi size aquarium.. complete with fish who sought my shelter and swam just under the swim platform...
Loneliness was not my burden.. it was the insanity I had to return too.. Humanity and all the petty **** that goes with it. 
But I'm all right now..!!
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24-02-2016, 14:02
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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Originally Posted by thomm225
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That's an ugly book to read, sad as watching "All is Lost" but not as puke inducing as "Passion of the Christ"
Twisted irony of Crowhurst disappearance is that Arthur Piver (Designer of the boat Crowhurst built/sailed) died/was lost at sea just the year before off San Diego trying to qualify for the race that later became the TransPac....I feel it safe to assume this very fact had to be in Crowhurst's head???
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24-02-2016, 14:08
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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24-02-2016, 14:14
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#74
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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Originally Posted by Sailor Jer
That's an ugly book to read, sad as watching "All is Lost" but not as puke inducing as "Passion of the Christ"
Twisted irony of Crowhurst disappearance is that Arthur Piver (Designer of the boat Crowhurst built/sailed) died/was lost at sea just the year before off San Diego trying to qualify for the race that later became the TransPac....I feel it safe to assume this very fact had to be in Crowhurst's head???
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Quite likely Crowhurst was unaware or not affected by Piver's demise. Probably unaware of a lot of things. Crowhurst was likely unhinged before embarking on the race; and being alone without human reference points, went over the edge, so to speak. The Piver tri boats were quite common as do-it-yourself home built projects. They were totally unsuited for long distance, open ocean, all weather racing. The first around the world singlehanded race was rather cobbled together with a real cast of very strange characters, including Sir Robin. It would be highly unlikely such a motley set of boats and yachtsmen would be allowed to do the race today.
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24-02-2016, 14:31
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#75
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
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Re: Solo Sailor Took His Own Life
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Originally Posted by reed1v
Quite likely Crowhurst was unaware or not affected by Piver's demise. Probably unaware of a lot of things. Crowhurst was likely unhinged before embarking on the race; and being alone without human reference points, went over the edge, so to speak. The Piver tri boats were quite common as do-it-yourself home built projects. They were totally unsuited for long distance, open ocean, all weather racing. The first around the world singlehanded race was rather cobbled together with a real cast of very strange characters, including Sir Robin. It would be highly unlikely such a motley set of boats and yachtsmen would be allowed to do the race today.
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I had a small Piver 25'. I loved her for her solo sailing ability. She had been singled from England to the US. Only sold her because of a lack of interior room with a family. That little fin on each ama let her point well and she was well balanced. JMHO
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