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Old 14-11-2019, 17:30   #16
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Thought this was well documented...in Captain Ron...
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You mean "privateer" don't you?
Privateer or pirate depends on who's perspective, sorta like freedom fighter or terrorist.
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Privateer or pirate depends on who's perspective, sorta like freedom fighter or terrorist.
Got it, and why I included the .
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Privateer or pirate depends on who's perspective, sorta like freedom fighter or terrorist.
Privateers operated under written authorization of a government. Pirates did not. This was an important legal distinction. Privateers had some basic rights as enemy combatants. Pirates could just be summarily executed.


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Privateers operated under written authorization of a government. Pirates did not. This was an important legal distinction. Privateers had some basic rights as enemy combatants. Pirates could just be summarily executed.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque
A legal distinction, yes, however, only important to the authorizing country's government other countries would recognize that a privateer was a pirate, with papers or not made no difference.
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A legal distinction, yes, however, only important to the authorizing country's government other countries would recognize that a privateer was a pirate, with papers or not made no difference.
Not entirely, there were cases in which it made the difference between being lynched and becoming a POW.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privateer

For one such case, and an interesting bit of history, see the story of the Confederate Privateer "Shenandoah". They continued to raid after the Civil War ended because they had not yet received official word. If proved to know of the war's end they would have been treated as pirates, if not then privateers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Shenandoah]


The Civil War was the last war in which privateers were used. Treaty of Paris ended the practice.
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Not entirely, there were cases in which it made the difference between being lynched and becoming a POW.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privateer

For one such case, and an interesting bit of history, see the story of the Confederate Privateer "Shenandoah". They continued to raid after the Civil War ended because they had not yet received official word. If proved to know of the war's end they would have been treated as pirates, if not then privateers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Shenandoah]


The Civil War was the last war in which privateers were used. Treaty of Paris ended the practice.
Good story about the Shenandoah seems like surrendering via England was a smart move, additionally being the only Confederate ship to circumnavigate the globe is one for the history books. I think we agree on the differences among privateers, pirates and buccaneers (may as well throw that one in) albeit a murky distinction depending on circumstances and time period.
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Good story about the Shenandoah seems like surrendering via England was a smart move, additionally being the only Confederate ship to circumnavigate the globe is one for the history books. I think we agree on the differences among privateers, pirates and buccaneers (may as well throw that one in) albeit a murky distinction depending on circumstances and time period.
Yes, an interesting and not widely known bit of history. See also USS Alabama.

These captains had major cajones.

I suspect in practical terms the distinction was often academic. Like the Captain of the Shenandoah, I would not count on my adversery following the letter of the law. I doubt the Spanish or English would have either.
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Yes, an interesting and not widely known bit of history. See also USS Alabama.

These captains had major cajones.

I suspect in practical terms the distinction was often academic. Like the Captain of the Shenandoah, I would not count on my adversery following the letter of the law. I doubt the Spanish or English would have either.
" See also USS Alabama." Do tell?
"At least seven United States Navy ships have been named Alabama, after the southern state of Alabama"
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Correction not "USS", but "CSS".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Alabama
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Correction not "USS", but "CSS".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Alabama
It's interesting to read how one's perspective can change according to situational circumstances. Quote from the captain of the CSS Alabama, a Commerce raider:
"Ironically, in 1851, a decade before the Civil War, Captain Semmes had observed:
(Commerce raiders) are little better than licensed pirates; and it behooves all civilized nations [...] to suppress the practice altogether.
[28]Semmes, Raphael. Service Afloat and Ashore During the Mexican War. Cincinnati, OH: Wm. H. Moore & Co., 1851, pp. 80-82.
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I've learned that pirates are also in the BVI charter management business. I thought Sir Francis Drake cleaned them all the pirates out centuries ago.
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This pretty much tells it all, the most dangerous places in the world are south of the US border.

Mexico Travel Advisory
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...-advisory.html

Crime Index by Country 2019 Mid-Year
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

List of cities by murder rate - Wikipedia
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I’m curious how many cruisers carry any type of weapon when cruising outside the US. Seems like it could be a huge hassle and possibly jail and fines.
I imagine you could hide something but it’s probably very hard to hide anything from a dog’s nose should you be boarded
On the other hand I would hate to give up the ability to defend myself.
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