MODERN HIGH SEAS PIRACY

[Ex-Calif]

"Then there are the Pirates that manufacture and then put a special word on the Product. "Marine". "

This is so true. I have been getting repeated instruction from one of my local mentors about sourcing parts and having parts made. Mention "Taiwan Stainless" and everyone around here starts laughing and snickering. I didn't get it because I had always heard Taiwanese are good boat builders.

Aparently in efforts to reduce costs etc. a lot of the stainless is now of very dubious quality - maybe too high a beer can content.

China Stainless gets high marks.

Gotta keep your eyes open as the balance of (economic) powers shift around the world...

Now Penang Pirated DVD's? Great! Way better than China. Buddy had one of his China ones switch from English with Chinese subtitles to German with Chinese subtitles 3/4 the way through. Almost made him wanna go back and get his dollar back.

[Alan Wheeler]

I had a DVD, arr actually a Video it was so long back, that halfway through the movie, suddenly the curtains drew and "intermission" was projected on them and I suddenly realised I was watching a film that had been recorded on a handycam in a theatre. No wonder the sound was bad and the picture was rather grainy. :-(

[Alan Wheeler]

Oh yeah, and I have some very nice looking SST tube here from Taiwan that is now rusting and some Tawainese Aluminium (Aluminum;-) that is so badly corroding, it has almost turned compleatly to white powder.

[Ex-Calif]

"I suddenly realised I was watching a film that had been recorded on a handycam in a theatre"

When Top Gun came out I lived in the Philippines. I was extremely pleased that the Philippine realease date was only days after the US release date and got tickets to experience it in the "big theatre."

I was only partially annoyed when people cheered the flying scenes but really pissed when I saw people's head's bobbing along in the front rows. Until it occurred to me like a flash.

Those weren't people in my theatre bobbing along - Someone had filmed Top Gun using a movie cam in a US theatre and had flown it to the Philippines for it's "Philippine " release date - and were projecting it in a theatre for crying out loud.

Too funny...

[GMac]

Aparently in efforts to reduce costs etc. a lot of the stainless is now of very dubious quality - maybe too high a beer can content.

That's just silly. Everyone knows its Toyota dashboards

My china man just sent me a pile of prices, which happened to include metal hook things that go on the end of chain on the bow (scared to use the 'A' word ). Some interesting things:

1, They make a 'Delto' which looks identical to a guess what.
2, I get a better price for my scrap 316 Stainless per kg here, than I would have to pay to buy a '316' finshed and polished 30kg bruce clone from china. That includes shipping, customs, duty and the pile of ticket clippers costs. I'm thinking of importing a pile just to sell for scrap value.
3, Most items had a 'Insert your name here' section on the shanks.
4, The prices are gobsmakingly cheap. I knew they were but didn't realise how cheap. We don't do china hook things but now suddenly see why so many have jumped on the bandwagon, masses of $$'s to be had. Public conditioned to a 'look' so knock that off and pay up to 95% less than the orginal, sell for orginal price less 15-20%. What the hey, the public don't know. Example - Say a 4kg Delta anchor galvanised steel. My cost of a knock-off is only 9.45% of what I would have to pay for the orginal or 6.8% of the retail excluding local sale tax. It gets better as the weights increase. Woowww. They look OK (only seen photos so far) and they say the right names when talking metal content, they might be. Looks as if Lewmars baby is going to have happen to it just like their claw did to bruce.

There's Pirates everywhere.

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by cat man do

Totally agree with you.

Saw all sort's of stuff on the ferry ride from Penang to Langkawi and wouldnt like to run into it at night as apparently it's mostly unlit.

Saw and endless supply of these fishing structures in the water but I'm sure the fishermen who own it don't think it's crap though.

Daytime stinkboating for me I think.

Dave

The photo appears to show "fish stakes" common in southeast asian waters. Could be a problem under power, but generally harmless under sail - it's just soft reeds stuck there to mark a bottom trap. I'd say avoid 'em if possible, but don't freak if you run over one - i've done it dozens of times without incident.

ALSO, agree with those making the lucid point that the vast majority of pirate attacks are against commercial shipping. WAY too much is made of this issue, IMHO. Again, as I've said before, I cannot personally speak for east African waters, but in southeast asia, the threat for yachties is minimal.

[mudnut]

Originally Posted by Alan Wheeler

Hell yeah. It's real common. They all hang out at Chandleries and boat yards. Seafox had one take him for $6K and a new engine and the other poster in Oz that had been Pirated for $2K to look at his. Then there are the Pirates that manufacture and then put a special word on the Product. "Marine". Those Pirates make you feel like ya been run through by the cold steel. :-)

What the hell,Ya mean they wern't local fishermen in some strange Island group that just wanted to say G'Day.*****,Have ya pinned out their location.Ya want to post that info real Quick.By the way,how ya going with ya upside down TV's.Mudnut.

[seafox]

If I was sailing in Pirate waters I would make up some plunder bags for the Pirates. Could put in a few US dollars, rum, smokes etc etc.......be real hacked off if one didn't pull up to collect his plunder after I'd a gone to that much trouble.

[mudnut]

I fear at this late time,Wheels,"Has left the building"captianK is at the end of sunday nite in the good old US of A,and seafox ,has just found the port(Wine that is)And once againg the world for the cruiser is safe.But NO,some sailor,in some other country around the world,arise's to todays update on "Pirate's around the globe,and how it concearns YOU,the sailor.

PSSST,aparently,the pirates are everywhere......No further breaking news.Mudnut.

[mudnut]

Originally Posted by seafox

If I was sailing in Pirate waters I would make up some plunder bags for the Pirates. Could put in a few US dollars, rum, smokes etc etc.......be real hacked off if one didn't pull up to collect his plunder after I'd a gone to that much trouble.

Good thinking,I'd swap,US dollars for ,monoply money.Rum,for urine.Smokes,for cow ****.Take them nowhere,give em nothing.Except maybe,tainted food that I kept special,for the right person of course.Damm,And their all wondering "If" they should keep arms aboard.

Yep,smart people get even.Smart people don't get caught.There definately is a lot more to "Plunder"bags,if ya think outside the square.Mudnut.

[David_Old_Jersey]

If I was attacked by Pirates I would immediately start a thread on Cruisers Forum seeking wide and varied advice.

I would also request the Pirates to log on and give their points of view.

[Rangiroo]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

If I was attacked by Pirates I would immediately start a thread on Cruisers Forum seeking wide and varied advice.

I would also request the Pirates to log on and give their points of view.

You couldn't do that coz the Pirates would hijack the thread!!!!....

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by Rangiroo

You couldn't do that coz the Pirates would hijack the thread!!!!....

Ouch

[Alan Wheeler]

No they wouldn't, we've got big guns here and we and the attitude to shoot first and ask questions later.....ummmm....;-) :-)

[Boracay]

Given that one of the easiest ways to shorten your life expectancy in the Philippines is to vigourosly oppose large commercial fising, and that many Filippinos depend on fishing locally from small (less than 6m) bancas it should come as no surprise that large fishing boats are not totally welcome.